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Post by deloverly on Apr 20, 2005 17:25:06 GMT -5
"Thier parents gave them permission to take a rickety trolley- on that particular occasion the Baudelaire parents actually encouraged the children to go out as if they had some pressing business to do. this biusiness was delayed indefintley due to death." -The edtion of the bad begining In the first book, there is the begining pic thing, and it shows the Baud's on the rickety trolley going to the beach on that fateful day, and then here is smoke and a firetruck going past them, so.. right after like maybe minutes after they left the fire must have started. What if the parents burnt their own house down to possibly aviod the kids from find out about VFD (I am assuming that Count Olaf was in VFD, and he burnt down all the orphans homes)? What if they knew someone was coming after them (like the piromanic Olaf) and they decided to fake their own death to aviod from being murdered? Or you could just ignore this because I'm a stupid really cool member
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Post by brenton on Apr 20, 2005 23:45:05 GMT -5
even if your theory is incorrect it has sparked an addon and i just HAVE to blurt it out ... You mentioned that they sent the baudelaire's away on a rickety trolley, but im thinking that if this theory is correct or significant that, the baudelaire's parents would have sent Violet, Klaus and Sunny away because they may have wanted to protect them from Olaf, if the parents had just let the children stay in the house it is likely that once olaf or his associates had done away with the parents that he would have took the baudelaires and thus his job (claiming the baudelaire fortune his) would have been much easier, because mr . poe arrived at the beach much before Olaf, the baudelaire's had some sense of protection, but if olaf really wanted the fortune quickly wouldnt it be logical to sneak into the Poe household in the middle of the night and take the baudelaires away, ofcourse the children would make noise but count olaf along with his associates wouldnt have any troubles because they could simply be in disguise....making sense still? im trailing off but i am having fun so ill keep going for as long as i deem needing.... also this sparks something else i read in one of the top theories i think i read that was by PJ, how in hell did Mr.Poe know that the Baudelaire's were at the beach, its not likely the baudelaire parents would telephone poe just to tell him that, do you call a friend when your going to the toilet? i would think not, so i deem that your theory is somewhat correct but also contains a few glitches....but it does seem likely that some of the details may play a clue, afterall im pretty sure that lemony sketches the picture he wants helquist to draw before he puts it into the books or at least points out the clues to be hidden
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Post by Dante on Apr 21, 2005 5:09:23 GMT -5
In the first book, there is the begining pic thing, and it shows the Baud's on the rickety trolley going to the beach on that fateful day, and then here is smoke and a firetruck going past them, so.. right after like maybe minutes after they left the fire must have started. Could they not have been on their way back in that picture?
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Post by Antenora on Apr 21, 2005 5:17:34 GMT -5
The impression I get of the early TBB situation from the RE notes is that the parents had some sort of scheduled meeting with Olaf, and that's why they wanted the children out of the house. Olaf proved to be a most impolite and troublesome guest, placing his (brandy?) glass on a table with no coaster, and then burning the place down.
I doubt the parents set their own house on fire, or killed themselves. This theory seems more like an interesting fanfiction premise than something Handler actually thought of.
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Post by Ennui on Apr 21, 2005 7:09:04 GMT -5
I like the idea that they were bargaining with Olaf for the lives of themselves and their children, probably in exchange for information about the stolen sugar bowl. The children were secretly sent away in case things went horribly wrong, as of course they did. Olaf had no intention in reality of treating with the Baudelaires, especially now that his plot to destroy the dairy had been foiled. With the help of Esme and the secret passage, he burnt the mansion down. It is my belief that the fire probably claimed both Baudelaires, neither of whom, incidentally, were Beatrice...
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Post by Amber on Apr 21, 2005 10:47:05 GMT -5
Could they not have been on their way back in that picture? Were they not taken from the beach by Mr Poe? Or am I confusing myself?
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Post by Dante on Apr 21, 2005 10:51:35 GMT -5
Were they not taken from the beach by Mr Poe? Or am I confusing myself? Correct, Mr. Poe did take them away. However, it is never stated what form of transport he used to get to the beach, or what form of transport the group used to leave. I choose to believe that Mr. Poe also took a trolley, and then the entire group returned on one - and that Mr. Poe's absence in the picture is due to the fact that he is inside the trolley, distancing himself from the smoke because it causes him to cough. Plus it's quite plainly artistic license.
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Post by deloverly on Apr 21, 2005 14:28:57 GMT -5
I think I'll make this into a fan fiction . . . All the smartness of you guys is making my head hurt . . .
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Post by brenton on Apr 22, 2005 15:00:58 GMT -5
I think I'll make this into a fan fiction . . . All the smartness of you guys is making my head hurt . . . DeLoverly just about all of us who've posted have turned this into somewhat of a theory
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Post by RockSunner on Apr 23, 2005 13:06:52 GMT -5
Some theories I have seen about the trolley being recycled into Hotel Denoument foundations (TBB-RE p. 171) seem to require the trolley to collapse practically the instant the Baudelaires get off it at the beach.
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Post by Dante on Apr 23, 2005 13:09:08 GMT -5
Some theories I have seen about the trolley being recycled into Hotel Denoument foundations (TBB-RE p. 171) seem to require the trolley to collapse practically the instant the Baudelaires get off it at the beach. Would you mind relating these theories to us?
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Post by deloverly on Apr 24, 2005 7:43:57 GMT -5
Where was that in?!
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Post by RockSunner on Apr 24, 2005 16:18:46 GMT -5
Would you mind relating these theories to us? I'll see if I can find it again -- ok, it was in this thread: asoue.proboards11.com/index.cgi?board=jog&thread=1103412735&action=display&start=60The timeline I suggested, if JacqueIsNoVillain's theory was correct about the relative timing of the trolley breakdown, the Royal Gardens fire, the Hotel Denoument construction, and the children's time with Poe was as follows:
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Post by Antenora on Apr 24, 2005 17:22:04 GMT -5
That's an interesting theory, and implies that the hotel was built by VFDers for VFD purposes alone--they were in desparate need of a sanctuary. Building a hotel in a week seems like a huge task, but maybe Denouement is actually fairly small.
I wonder why that particular bench was saved. Was it considered a crucial bit of evidence because of the wet-glass-ring left by Olaf?
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Post by Ennui on Apr 25, 2005 11:42:04 GMT -5
That fits with what we know. The VFDers are on the back foot, and are using the last of their resources-such as vertical flame diversions-to build their refuges, salvaging whatever they can. If Heimlich Hospital, as I believe, was a VFD sanctuary, that would account for its half-finished state as well.
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