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Post by hippi on Mar 20, 2005 12:45:54 GMT -5
Hi all, Well in TBB it says OLAF is a very long distance reletive.................but what is he exactly? In my opinion I don't think he is a reletive.......nobody TRYS to steal from their family, BUT Olaf isn't a nobody
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Post by Violet on Mar 20, 2005 12:57:06 GMT -5
He's either their fourth cousin three times removed or their third cousin four times removed.
People try to steal from their family all the time! I personally will offer to count my grandpa's money then a twenty will accidentally find its way into my pocket...but he always finds out. Hence the tries part.
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Post by hippi on Mar 20, 2005 13:32:11 GMT -5
Well I certainly don't steal from my family!
How do you know that?
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Post by unluckyfire101 on Mar 20, 2005 19:11:26 GMT -5
If the Baudilaire parents wanted their children to be safe then why on earth did they make it so that the first place the Baudilairs went to was Count Olaf's? Also, the book never mentened a pic. of the Baudilairs with Count Olf when they did have pictures with Uncle Monty and Aunt Josphine? Why wasen't Count Olf 3rd or 4th? Plus, how could Aunt Josiphine will them to Captain Sham when on their parents will they were to live with family members?
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Post by PJ on Mar 20, 2005 23:26:45 GMT -5
Well, I personally doubt that he is related to the Baudelaires. He's probably lying to get to the money. Or perhaps, he IS related, as some VFDers seem to be..... Hmmm, we shall see.
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Post by RockSunner on Mar 20, 2005 23:32:59 GMT -5
According to Mr. Poe (TBB p. 15), Olaf was not their closest relative on the family tree, but the closest geographically. The will also said for them to be "raised in the most convenient way possible." Poe took to that to mean that it was better to send them to a relative within the city limits than a closer relative who was more distant.
I agree that it was a bizarre instruction in the will for them to be raised in a the most convenient way possible. Loving parents shouldn't make such a will without thinking of the consequences, and who that convenient relative would be.
So what is happening here? Possibilities:
1) The Baudelaire parents were not as nice as the children thought. They were careless, or downright evil themselves -- maybe even on Olaf's side.
2) The Baudelaire parents made a bad will so that the children could be sent around to various unsuitable people for V.F.D. training purposes. See #1 for their character, if so.
2) Poe is lying, or working from a forged will.
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Post by hippi on Mar 21, 2005 7:18:22 GMT -5
This to me, is very puzzling.
Does any one know what VFD means? I know its very hard to find out!
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Post by Antenora on Mar 21, 2005 7:36:52 GMT -5
I think it's possible that Olaf forged the will in some way, perhaps when he was visiting the parents on the day of the fire(and left a wet mark on the table with his drink glass).
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Post by Flaneur on Mar 21, 2005 7:56:35 GMT -5
I've always wondered if Count Olaf was really related to them, or if he just lied in order to get himself on the relatives list. I used to believe without question that it was a lie, but lately I don't see much reason to doubt that he was a tad related. There seem to be a lot of familial connections in V.F.D., if the tree at the back of the UA is literally a family tree. I think it's possible that Olaf forged the will in some way... This idea is supported by the original, Handler-written movie screenplay draft, in which there is apparently talk of a "real" will and a "fake" will. There are three V.F.D. agents wandering around investigating the fire and trying to find the Baudelaires. In the ruins of the mansion they find the real will, in an ornate metal box - if the will is there, where are the Baudelaire children? This implies that they are currently operating under the influence of a false will. I don't think it matters if Olaf is related to the Baudelaires or not. There's no reason he should or shouldn't be, although it would be more interesting if he was. Either way, he is an evil man, and I don't think the Baudelaire parents would so carelessly word their will so as to have their kids sent to him accidentally, or send them there on purpose. I like the false will theory.
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Post by Ennui on Mar 21, 2005 8:12:43 GMT -5
As Random says, it's much more interesting for Olaf to have genuine Baudelaire blood in his veins. It adds a piquant element of family strife. His surname could even be Baudelaire...
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Post by PJ on Mar 21, 2005 16:27:54 GMT -5
Nah, it couldn't be Baudelaire. He makes too much fun of their name for it to be Baudelaire.
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Post by Lucky Orphan on Mar 22, 2005 8:17:33 GMT -5
He's probably not related to them.
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Post by Ennui on Mar 22, 2005 12:47:21 GMT -5
Nah, it couldn't be Baudelaire. He makes too much fun of their name for it to be Baudelaire. Good point. But could it be a cunning disguise? Negative psychology? Resentment at memories of being bullied as a child? While I think Snicket is more likely, Baudelaire should definitely not be instantly dismissed.
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Post by Antenora on Mar 22, 2005 15:34:00 GMT -5
I think Olaf's last name is most likely Snicket. If the family tree is to be trusted, he seems to be a first cousin of Jacques, Kit, and Lemony. Also, he and Jacques seem to look alike--at the very least, they both have a uni-brow.
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Post by PJ on Mar 22, 2005 16:23:47 GMT -5
Olaf Snicket......hmmm...... Well, it could be that his mother married someone else.... Somehow, I doubt Snicket is his last name.
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