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Post by kingofvfd on Mar 22, 2008 15:21:01 GMT -5
i think that baudelaire parents used to trus olaf and that the schism happend just b4 they died and the olaf was first on the list to take the children.But as we know he was evil after the schism.my theory is that he used 2 be good but went evil beacause of the man with no hair but a beard and the weomen with no beard but hair turned him bad.(i know how wierd that sounds.)
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Post by whatisvfd on Jul 9, 2008 15:48:24 GMT -5
Most likely, it was a lie. I mean, Olaf a relative?!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah right.
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Post by Cream of Silk on Jul 13, 2008 10:55:52 GMT -5
Well, let me just start by saying that "olaf" means relative or descendant of. This could, of course, be a red herring, or it could symbolize how he pretended to be a relative, if he was in fact pretending. I also highly doubt that his last name is Snicket because he kissed Kit in TE and apparantly had previously been having an affair with her, and seeing as this is a children's book, I don't think that Handler would have included that.
I will say that it has popped into my mind that maybe Lemony is Olaf, because it never mentioned his name... he was always referred to as "The Other Snicket Sibling", or people would be cut off right as they were about to say his name. However, if Lemony was in fact Kit's brother, and Olaf was Lemony, I don't think that they would have kissed.
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Post by notsoquiet on Jul 15, 2008 4:01:38 GMT -5
He lied, just to get the fortune.
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Post by Cream of Silk on Jul 16, 2008 12:47:43 GMT -5
Or at least that's what Lemony is trying to make it seem like.
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Post by Kount Kelsey on Sept 18, 2008 19:20:39 GMT -5
oh... and the baudelaires had lived in the mr.poe's house for quite some time ... on the parents will they are only allowed to live with family members??? ( how is sir from the miserible mill related to the baudelaires)
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Post by Dante on Sept 19, 2008 9:56:55 GMT -5
I believe the will specified that they were a) to be raised by a relative, and b) raised in the most convenient way possible. This was the thinking that led to Count Olaf, the relative who lived nearest to them. Later on in the series, relatives grew hard to find, so the convenience clause took greater precedence - as we see in TVV, potential carers such as their relative Mr. Fagin have become afraid of Count Olaf and started turning down the offer of caring for the children. Sir may just have been a random businessman who thought he was making a good investment, although certainly he's the most bizarre choice of the non-related guardians.
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Post by Vanja on Sept 19, 2008 10:17:46 GMT -5
I will say that it has popped into my mind that maybe Lemony is Olaf, because it never mentioned his name... he was always referred to as "The Other Snicket Sibling", or people would be cut off right as they were about to say his name. However, if Lemony was in fact Kit's brother, and Olaf was Lemony, I don't think that they would have kissed. i thought that for a while too o.O
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Post by theaterdak on Nov 4, 2008 11:20:11 GMT -5
If the Baudilaire parents wanted their children to be safe then why on earth did they make it so that the first place the Baudilairs went to was Count Olaf's? Also, the book never mentened a pic. of the Baudilairs with Count Olf when they did have pictures with Uncle Monty and Aunt Josphine? Why wasen't Count Olf 3rd or 4th? Plus, how could Aunt Josiphine will them to Captain Sham when on their parents will they were to live with family members? The Bauldalaires went to family the first three times. Since Aunt Josephine was their legal gaurdian she had control over what she did with them. When she died she wanted them to go to Sham. So there!
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Post by victoriafdavis on Nov 10, 2008 23:11:38 GMT -5
Well, let me just start by saying that "olaf" means relative or descendant of. This could, of course, be a red herring, or it could symbolize how he pretended to be a relative, if he was in fact pretending. I also highly doubt that his last name is Snicket because he kissed Kit in TE and apparantly had previously been having an affair with her, and seeing as this is a children's book, I don't think that Handler would have included that. I will say that it has popped into my mind that maybe Lemony is Olaf, because it never mentioned his name... he was always referred to as "The Other Snicket Sibling", or people would be cut off right as they were about to say his name. However, if Lemony was in fact Kit's brother, and Olaf was Lemony, I don't think that they would have kissed. And there would be no series, because of what happens to Olaf in The End. I believe the answer to your question was answered by Mr. Poe in the Bad Beginning.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2008 16:57:28 GMT -5
Yes, he is either "the fourth cousin three times removed, or the third cousin four times removed". Something like that. So yes, indirectly he could probably be Olaf Bauldalaire. Creepy, I know
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Post by jrcarlito3 on Dec 13, 2008 20:58:35 GMT -5
to me he isn't baudelaire because of his parents but he might be family. And i think he is a very,vert,very,very,very,very,very,very,very,very,very,very,very,very,very,very,very,very,very,very,very,very,very,very,very,very,very,very,very,very,very,very,very,very treacherous, bad villian. It's good that he died, and that the Baudelaire's did it.
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Post by t on Jan 3, 2009 4:34:52 GMT -5
A lover of their parents' friend (Kit Snicket)
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Post by cwm on Jan 4, 2009 9:42:12 GMT -5
I think it's just something intentionally ambigous (sp?); at any rate, I don't believe the Baudelaires being related to Count Olaf is bought up again in any major way (correct me if I'm wrong), so I doubt it's particularly important.
Since an incompotent is in charge of the Baudelaires' affairs (Baudeffairs?), though, one can imagine it couldn't be too difficult to forge the appropiate papers to make it seem he was related.
He does say in The End, paraphrased, that he 'didn't just wait for the Baudelaires to come to his house', and assuming he wasn't responsible for burning the mansion down (again, implied in The End), he may have simply imagined that it was only a matter of time before their involvement in V.F.D. cost the Baudelaire parents their lives, and decided to make provision in order to get his hands on the fortune when they died by forging official documents that said he was related to the Baudelaires; he was already 'the most convenient geographically', so he just needed to make some obscure relation that nobody could be bothered to trace, most likely.
Or is that just gibberish?
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Post by Dante on Jan 4, 2009 11:29:57 GMT -5
I can see what you're saying and I think it's plausible, but I think you're misrecalling your paraphrase a little and changing the meaning in doing so; what he said was - I'll get the actual quote. It's Chapter Seven. "Do you think that I just sat in my home in the city, waiting for you miserable orphans to stumble into my path?" Which, out-of-context, sounds bad. But in-context he was saying that he had a life outside of the Baudelaires' affairs. Not all of his experiences and knowledge occurred just in relation to them. Contrary to what the Baudelaires - indeed, the readers - think, it's not all about them.
Olaf being the most convenient geographically is itself quite odd, as Mr. Poe even says in TBB that he travels the world for his theatrical performances. Was it just luck that he happened to be based in the city at the time the Baudelaire mansion burned down? That's up to us to decide.
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