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Post by cwm on Jan 5, 2009 9:24:54 GMT -5
Maybe it's related to all the eyes in his house, and pre-schism the house was a V.F.D. HQ...but that seems a little too inconspicous.
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Post by Kount Kelsey on Jan 26, 2009 15:14:37 GMT -5
hey is the baudelaires father's 4th cousing 3 times removed Maybe it's related to all the eyes in his house, and pre-schism the house was a V.F.D. HQ...but that seems a little too inconspicous. i uderstand where you are getting the concept of thed eyes but maybe it is a complicated scheme all in 1. each i is a symbol of 1 of his schemes, maybe his biggest eye is steals the baudelaires fortune becasue that might be one of his biggest schemes and killing uncle monty's assistabt stephano was a litle less a scheme . do you understand what i am trying ot say??? Reason for Editing: Moderator edit: Merging double-post.
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Post by Dante on Jan 27, 2009 2:56:32 GMT -5
Try to use the Modify button rather than making two short posts in quick succession in the same thread, baudelaire35.
And that's a curious new theory. So the eyes, you think, are like some sort of tally mark for Olaf, and he carves a new one for every one of his schemes?
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Post by Dante on Mar 5, 2009 12:58:02 GMT -5
So you're aware, it's in the text that Lemony has the eye tattoo, and that Beatrice is the Baudelaires' mother.
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Post by julia3160 on Mar 12, 2009 22:52:26 GMT -5
I think Olaf's last name is most likely Snicket. If the family tree is to be trusted, he seems to be a first cousin of Jacques, Kit, and Lemony. Also, he and Jacques seem to look alike--at the very least, they both have a uni-brow. Good point but i don't think it is true. If Count Olaf's last name was Snicket things wouldn't make sense (this may be a spoiler if you haven't read The End) For example: In TE Count Olaf seems to have had a relationship with Kit Snicket before, if this is the case, and Count Olaf's last name was Snicket wouldn't that make him incest? I mean, who would go out with someone related to you? If you do, no offence but it is a little weird, and doesn't seem like it could happen in this series.
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Post by Hermes on Mar 13, 2009 8:08:48 GMT -5
I'm not at all sure we should trust the family tree, but even if we do it doesn't follow that Olaf's name is Snicket; he could be related to the Snickets through his mother.
(Regarding incest: everyone is related if you go back far enough. Relationships between close relations are generally thought to be a bad thing, but what counts as close differs a lot from one society to another. Marriage between first cousins is actually legal in most places, though it's often seen as rather dodgy, especially if it's done more than once in a family.)
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Post by annyyyaaaa on Apr 12, 2009 8:30:57 GMT -5
Don't you think that it would all become clear if we just knew Olaf's second name?
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Post by Very Funky Disco on Apr 12, 2009 10:03:06 GMT -5
(Regarding incest: everyone is related if you go back far enough. Relationships between close relations are generally thought to be a bad thing, but what counts as close differs a lot from one society to another. Yeah, my thoughts exactly. If there's anything controversial about Olaf's marriage attempt with Violet - other than the fact that Olaf wasn't exactly a nice person - it would be the pedophilia aspect of it, not the fact that Olaf is Violet's distant cousin. That's assuming, of course, that Olaf really is their distant cousin.
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Post by Seymour Glass on Apr 15, 2010 19:39:02 GMT -5
He's probably not related to them. I agree with this. I think Olaf just claimed to be related so he can steal.
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Post by MyKindEditor on Apr 16, 2010 15:33:07 GMT -5
Exactly also, in TBL, one of the letters from LS to BI talks about how the only person he knows in his Code Class is O- Olaf he seems quite annoyed with O and he doesn't mention anything other than his annoyence, he might have mentioned the fact that O was his cousin if he was.- then again, he might not. Due to the nature of the V.F.D I think there are arguments for both sides although I am leaning towards Olaf not being a Snicket. Hmmm...that was indecisive and incomprehensive...sorry...I hope my point helped though.
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Post by bumblebee on Apr 18, 2010 4:41:58 GMT -5
Well, in my opinion is that either Olaf is not related to them, because how comes that they are related and living in the same city, quite close to each other anyway, but have never seen one another? The second option is that he of course might have had made some dodgy, false documents proving that he was related to the Baudelaire's while he really wasn't, which is quite easy, looking at how stupid Mr. Poe is... Therefore I think that they might be related, yet not svery closely - maybe something like brother's wife's sister's husband's father's step-sister's child or something ^^ Of course, that's probably not what the relation is, but still, I think you get my point. Theoretically we could say that someone basically altered the will or helped Olaf seem to be a closer relative to Baudelaire's than he really is.
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Post by Tiago James Squalor on Apr 24, 2010 13:54:26 GMT -5
Well, in my opinion is that either Olaf is not related to them, because how comes that they are related and living in the same city, quite close to each other anyway, but have never seen one another? The second option is that he of course might have had made some dodgy, false documents proving that he was related to the Baudelaire's while he really wasn't, which is quite easy, looking at how stupid Mr. Poe is... Therefore I think that they might be related, yet not svery closely - maybe something like brother's wife's sister's husband's father's step-sister's child or something ^^ Of course, that's probably not what the relation is, but still, I think you get my point. Theoretically we could say that someone basically altered the will or helped Olaf seem to be a closer relative to Baudelaire's than he really is. That's an interesting opinion, because if you remember Olaf's evil-er allies, the woman with hair but no beard and the man with beard but no hair, are Judges of the City High Court, so perhaps it was them that provided Olaf with the faux evidence that proved him to be the Baudelaires' relative so that their guardianship could go to him. This would most likely be the case, too, in a Count Olaf IS their relative scenario; perhaps Olaf was a distant relative who was estranged or banished from the family due to his villainous tendencies, those later being becoming villainous acts.
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Post by Hermes on Apr 24, 2010 14:17:56 GMT -5
According to Mr Poe, he's either their third cousin four times removed or their fourth cousin three times removed. So either way it's not a close relationship. And as Tiago says, his villainy - and more specifically the fact that they're on different sides of a schism - will lead to their being estranged.
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Post by Seymour Glass on Jul 19, 2010 13:45:15 GMT -5
That would work, and would be suitably obscure. Josephine is the Baudelaires' second cousin's sister-in-law, meaning that she's the one related to the Baudelaires by marriage, so it would mean that the Baudelaires are related by blood to Ike (he'd be their second cousin's brother, presumably), and therefore Olaf would be related to Josephine. Hopefully, I haven't completely messed up how these various terms work out. It's hard to keep track of all the crazy relations in the series. Maybe the link between the Baudelaires and Josephine are through the Baudelaire's relative married to Josephine's sibling.
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Post by bryan on Aug 3, 2010 18:12:49 GMT -5
I know someone already said this, but in case some people haven't seen it, in one of the first drafts that Daniel Handler himself wrote for the movie, it involved a pregnant women agent, a young boy agent, and a young girl agent looking for the baudelaires and its a completely different plot, but anyway, in it there is the original baudalaire will found in the rubble of the fire, and a forged will that was the one being used.
you can see part of the script in the "miserable movie section" under the first "original script" thread
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