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Post by ponygirl's vapor on May 26, 2003 9:54:13 GMT -5
I watched some of the Fellowship of the Ring, and remembered how much I hated how they portrayed Gandalf. When Gandalf and Saruman were fighting, they should Saruman as a stronger more powerful Wizard when actualy it is the other way around. Then they have Gandalf suggesting that the ring stay in Rivendell when Elrond and Gandalf are talking. Which is something the wisest of all Maia would not do. They portared him better in the Two Towers though.
(Note: All of the wizards are Maia, who the second most powerful people in Arda (Earth). They were sent by the Valar (most powerful people) to help overthrow Sauron)
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Post by MoonyGirl21 on May 26, 2003 12:07:29 GMT -5
Ok, for some reason I always thought Saruman was the more powerful one. Each of the wizards had a special color that denoted their position in the order or whatnot, and white was the highest. They also has particular areas of study. Gandalf, foolishly to some, focused on Hobbits and things of the sort. Saruman wanted bigger things. He knew all the old lore about magic rings, and that was his downfall. He became infatuated with the power of the One Ring, the power he could have (if only he could keep it away from Sauron), and so he procalimed himself Saruman of Many Colors. Idiot! So I thought they showed that pretty well. When he turned truly evil, his powers that were given to him by the forces of good diminished, which is why he was no longer stronger than Gandalf in the second movie. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I could swear that I read that somewhere in the books. In the books, wasn't it Gandalf that wanted to go through Moria?
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Post by ponygirl's vapor on May 26, 2003 12:43:18 GMT -5
Yes it was Gandalf's idea for he did not want to go through the Caradhras, though he did not want to go through Moria either. But Gandalf has greater power, Cirdan the Shipright (an elf) saw that when Gandalf, Saruman, Radagast and the 2 unknown wizards arrived in Middle Earth. So Cirdan gave Gandalf one of the three Elven Rings.
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Post by MoonyGirl21 on May 26, 2003 16:09:41 GMT -5
But as far as the wizard's order goes, wasn't Saruman the highest? White higher than grey? And it had something to do with Galadriel, didn't it? Maybe . . . stupid idea, but maybe he gave Gandalf the ring because he could see that Gandalf had more inner power. Like will power or something, probably more like pure goodness, but whatever. While Gandalf was the more worthy of the two, Saruman had the more tangible power, the brute strength or whatnot. Just an idea, I've only read the other four books, so I wouldn't know.
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Post by ponygirl's vapor on May 26, 2003 21:32:25 GMT -5
Look at them when both were Maia, before they went to Middle Earth. They were both very powerful, but Gandalf had more power, and he was wisest of all Maia. Now they were summoned to with 3 other Maia to Valinor to meet with the Valar. There they told them that they were being sent to Middle Earth as Istari (or wizards) and there power would be serverly lessend. They were being sent to help ovethrow Sauron and bring peace to Middle Earth. So when they went to Middle Earth they were almost all of the same power with two more powerful ones: Gandalf and Saruman.
Here is an excerpt: Though Saruman was at that time the acknowledged leader of the Wizards, Círdan saw that Gandalf was in fact the greater, and secretly gave him the Red Ring Narya to aid him in his quest.
The White Council was formed in the Third Age by the chief among the Eldar and the Istari to combat the growing power of Dol Guldur. The Council was led by Saruman (though Galadriel and Elrond wanted Gandalf to be leader because they knew he was greater), until Gandalf discovered his treachery at the beginning of the War of the Ring.
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Post by MoonyGirl21 on May 26, 2003 22:03:25 GMT -5
Ok, that makes more sense now. Well then, I still like the way PJ did it . . . I really need to read that book.
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