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Post by A comet crashing into Earth on Feb 15, 2015 3:55:05 GMT -5
I was browsing through the TvTropes page for ASOUE, and came across this:
I personally didn't get this at all while reading the books, so 'obviously' seems at the very least a bit of a stretch to me (although of course, I just read this this morning, so I haven't read any of the books since then). Your thoughts on the subject?
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Post by Antenora on Feb 15, 2015 10:06:45 GMT -5
I agree, the "subtext" was certainly not intended by either Snicket or the filmmakers, and is only "obvious" the sort of person who sees any amicable relationship between characters as a romantic one ( Storge as Eros in this case). For whatever reason, there are a lot of those people in some fandoms. Depending on the context of that entry, maybe you should remove it from the page.
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Post by A comet crashing into Earth on Feb 15, 2015 14:34:18 GMT -5
I agree, the "subtext" was certainly not intended by either Snicket or the filmmakers, and is only "obvious" the sort of person who sees any amicable relationship between characters as a romantic one ( Storge as Eros in this case). For whatever reason, there are a lot of those people in some fandoms. Depending on the context of that entry, maybe you should remove it from the page. I'm not an editor on the site, I just wanted to see whether this was actually relevant and had completely gone over my head. Thanks for the input! =) Though I might keep my eyes open for any passages that imply this during my next read of the series, just to see whether you could actually make a convincing case about it (even if it's not intentional). I'm betting no, but it would be kind of amusing if you could. =P
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Post by bandit on Feb 15, 2015 15:02:21 GMT -5
TvTropes is like Wikipedia, anyone can edit it.
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Post by A comet crashing into Earth on Feb 15, 2015 16:26:19 GMT -5
TvTropes is like Wikipedia, anyone can edit it. Yeah, but I'd have to create a profile, wouldn't I? =\ I would just end up feeling responsible for the site, and I don't have enough time for that. =P
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Post by Dante on Feb 23, 2015 6:25:31 GMT -5
A couple of things which are worth bearing in mind are that Violet and Klaus might be considered the "obvious" targets for such a reading as they're the most prominent similarly-aged related characters in the story; they don't need to have a scrap more "evidence" for this than any other pair of characters to be the most "obvious" characters with incestuous potential. I suppose, also, that for Olaf and Violet, the incest subtext isn't really sub-, is it? He's pretty open about his interests, at least ostensibly. And lastly, this might also be a movie-specific comment, and it is worth remembering that the actors and how they relate to each other are not the characters, even if they're trying to portray them.
Mostly, though, I think that Antenora is quite correct in identifying incest as a strange fascination of specifically online fandoms, who try to find it anywhere, no matter how arbitrary. I think perhaps there is a case, though, that what we have in ASoUE is something unusual - a lead female character and a lead male character who are related. In most other children's and young adult series, they would be unrelated and set up for romantic entanglement with each other later in the story, so an incestuous reading of Violet and Klaus's relationship is really an attempt to shoehorn ASoUE into the conventional fiction model. It's not like the actual love interests are on-screen for long, are they? Quigley and Fiona only appear in one book out of thirteen each, and don't show up until two-thirds of the way through. Duncan and Isadora are fairly underutilised after TAA, too.
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Post by Hermes on Feb 23, 2015 7:16:47 GMT -5
I suppose, also, that for Olaf and Violet, the incest subtext isn't really sub-, is it? He's pretty open about his interests, at least ostensibly. In any case, calling fourth cousins three times removed 'incest' is a bit of a stretch (even supposing that they genuinely are fourth cousins three times removed, which isn't obvious, especially in the film).
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Post by Dante on Feb 23, 2015 8:38:29 GMT -5
True, it's not like the word "incest" is ever mentioned in the books, but that's the vibe a lot of people have chosen to pick up. Robbed of convenient romantic pairings, this fandom has plunged deep into every horrible perversion.
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Post by Poe's Coats Host Toast on Feb 23, 2015 13:01:27 GMT -5
It may be worthy to mention that another one of Handler's books has been called "an incest opera", too, so there's that.
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Post by Dante on Feb 23, 2015 13:18:43 GMT -5
It may be worthy to mention that another one of Handler's books has been called "an incest opera", too, so there's that. Yeah, that's the thing - Handler can't really complain. He started it.
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Post by Hermes on Feb 23, 2015 13:40:41 GMT -5
I did briefly wonder whether Fiona's surname might be 'Baudelaire'. When she kissed Klaus, I abandoned the speculation. When I found out about Watch Your Mouth I wondered again.
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Post by Dante on Feb 23, 2015 15:20:32 GMT -5
Incestuous or not, that's one of the more interesting theories I've heard on the subject.
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