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Post by lorelai on Aug 27, 2015 11:45:29 GMT -5
Always assuming that Lemony isn't able to help Kit himself, which is quite plausible, I've seen a lot of people suggest that Olaf will turn out to be Kit's rescuer. This would certainly provide a reason for the Kit/Olaf relationship, whenever it occurred.
My theory is that this will actually be a double rescue. In WDYSHL Lemony refers to a book that Kit likes because its main character is also named Kit, and prior to giving us that info says that the Kit of the book finds a boy named Nathaniel that she can trust who names a ship after her. The book is The Witch of Blackbird Pond, and while all that is true, the Kit of Pond also ends up in prison and cannot be helped by her family--instead Nathaniel is responsible for the person that truly helps, making it a dual effort. Based on this, it would make sense for our Kit to be rescued by, let's say, Olaf and Beatrice--which would provide explanations for both future/eventual romances--while providing a great theme for Kit; she falls for Olaf despite his bad qualities based on this good deed, but events have changed her opinion by the time of her death. "One kind act" as she puts it in TE, isn't enough anymore (feel free to ignore that last if in your headcanon they're a couple during ASOUE).
Thoughts?
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Post by zakeno on Aug 27, 2015 12:43:26 GMT -5
This is very interesting! I would be down to see this happen. On the other hand, though, having Olaf be the rescuer might be a little out of place on its own, considering ATWQ tries fairly hard to stand on its own as its own series separate from ASOUE (so it works for young readers who may not be familiar with the older series as well). While characters like Josephine have kinda just dropped out of nowhere in each book to converse with Lemony, the rescue of his sister might be too important to have a similar thing happen to get her rescued. I'm not sure whether she will be rescued at all, because it might be slightly deux-ex-machina and I could see the series ending prior to her rescue, but I suppose we'll see! I really like the idea of having Olaf be her rescuer in any case!
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Post by Dante on Aug 27, 2015 15:56:35 GMT -5
It's a very difficult question, because of course Kit's whole storyline is taking place off-screen to us, separate from Lemony's - and indeed that's the point, that he is quite unable to intervene but can only hear second-hand accounts of what's going on. Attempts have been made to link the events of the upcoming ?4 to Kit's rescue, since a train bound for the city is to be involved in the plot, but I'm not convinced; I don't think anyone's staying on that train all the way to the city. This is a Stain'd-by-the-Sea story through and through, and it would really be just as disruptive for Kit's storyline to suddenly become a massive issue. I think we're just going to keep on hearing the repercussions of it, with the series only finally concluding with Lemony at last free, if probably too late, to depart and assist - but if Kit is rescued, I suspect that any rescuer will be described in terms vague enough not to matter to the pure ATWQ reader, but will be somewhat more recognisable to the ASoUE veteran. (I personally favour Olaf, though, as indicated in my supplementary series, The Stain'd Myth Murders, linked in my signature.)
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Post by lorelai on Aug 27, 2015 17:18:41 GMT -5
If it weren't a difficult, somewhat confusing, possibly never-going-to-be-resolved question, it wouldn't be Snicket. We've even had the whole fragmentary plot definition introduced, so we can't even say we weren't warned.
The most obvious way to bring in Olaf, or anyone that's major in ASOUE, without spoiling is to simply give the initials and nothing else, letting Lemony's reaction clue in readers of both series--which has certainly been done in TUA and TBB, and could easily be managed by Kit herself, since she's picked up that VFD habbit, to Lemony's dislike. But I think, if/however we're given this second hand plotline, it will be meaningful. As much as this is a Stained-by-the-sea story, it's also been the story of Lemony being torn between obligations, desires, and responsibilities, which has been emphasized the most through Kit.
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Post by J-Bird on Aug 27, 2015 22:44:49 GMT -5
I could totally see it happening that Olaf rescues Kit. It explains that odd love story from TE; the 'vague description of Olaf so as not to pertube ATWQ readers' is a good idea as well. Perhaps Lemony getting a letter from a newly emancipated Kit. "My friend brought in this young man, about our age, who had an oddly-pointed hair style. She said that he was quite talented at breaking in and out of places, and I can attest to that. I hope to meet you soon. Don't let my worries become yours, as I'm sure you have enough on your hands. With Love and Regards, Kit."
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Post by Hermes on Aug 28, 2015 7:44:50 GMT -5
Yes, I see no reason why it should not be O. Non-ASOUE-readers will not get the full significance, but then they won't have got the full significance of Kit herself, or of Bertrand. The story can make sense in its own terms, while having extra meaning for ASOUE fans.
On the other hand, we probably shouldn't get our hopes up too much. DH might be thinking of something else entirely. (Note we have already had a reference to Olaf, as a former pupil at Wade Academy, a school attended by children of counts; this may be a foretaste of more to come, but may equally be Olaf's sole appearance in the series.)
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Post by Dante on Aug 28, 2015 16:13:54 GMT -5
Interesting how nobody thinks she'll simply break out on her own.
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Post by zakeno on Aug 28, 2015 22:43:52 GMT -5
Interesting how nobody thinks she'll simply break out on her own. I sincerely hope this is what happens!
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Post by lorelai on Aug 30, 2015 19:55:09 GMT -5
Interesting how nobody thinks she'll simply break out on her own. I sincerely hope this is what happens! I'd LOVE for Kit to free herself!!! If this happens I will stop reading no matter what's happening to Lemony and clap. The only reason I started this thread is because the Olaf theory's a popular one, but since Handler occasionally has his plots fit the plots of other books, I thought a dual rescue was valid. Also, it took two people to help get her in there.
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Post by Esmé's meme is meh on Aug 31, 2015 9:39:00 GMT -5
I strongly believe she'll free herself. I also believe Olaf will appear to try to rescue her but will fail because she's a strong independent black woman who don't need no men.
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Post by A comet crashing into Earth on Aug 31, 2015 10:37:10 GMT -5
because she's a strong independent black woman who don't need no men. If you weren't male and from Argentina, I could swear you were one of my IRL friends.
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Post by lorelai on Oct 8, 2015 22:33:08 GMT -5
Upon contimplating for a while, I think it's, with all the talk of skeleton keys, implied that she freed herself *claps*. Gifford and Ghede got her onto the train.
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Post by Dante on Oct 9, 2015 2:30:36 GMT -5
Upon contimplating for a while, I think it's, with all the talk of skeleton keys, implied that she freed herself *claps*. Gifford and Ghede got her onto the train. Although it's Ellington who provides the skeleton key, so I'd call it a team effort.
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Post by lorelai on Oct 10, 2015 3:58:21 GMT -5
Upon contimplating for a while, I think it's, with all the talk of skeleton keys, implied that she freed herself *claps*. Gifford and Ghede got her onto the train. Although it's Ellington who provides the skeleton key, so I'd call it a team effort. I agree, as far as getting out of the cell on the train. If she wasn't always on board post the newspaper article in ?3 though (I'm a tad uncertain about this), then I think we can presume she freed herself from that cell as her skill with that tool is mentioned in ?3 too.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2015 19:38:16 GMT -5
SPOILERS: Well, I dot think anybody will rescue Kit, because Kit is very good with a skeleton key, and Ellington, now in jail with Kit, has a skeleton key. They'll break out of jail together.
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