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Post by soufflé on Nov 17, 2015 18:20:15 GMT -5
how unfair is it that intelligence is inherited
you're just sort of stuck with your intelligence level at birth
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Post by Poe's Coats Host Toast on Nov 17, 2015 18:25:22 GMT -5
That's just an excuse for dumb people =P
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Post by B. on Nov 18, 2015 9:34:39 GMT -5
Literally everyone here is extremely smart, so I don't think many people will agree with you, Sophie!
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Post by soufflé on Nov 18, 2015 11:11:27 GMT -5
I just sorta feel bad for people who aren't smart But then again maybe they're happy not being smart and maybe being smart isn't all that important anyway What do you think
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Post by Reba on Nov 18, 2015 13:01:07 GMT -5
is that for real? or are you talking about like learning disabilities and stuff?
the saddest thing is seeing a smart parent who has a super not-smart kid, and the parent can't help but spend their life crushingly disappointed, even though of course they love them etc. also when a smart kid has a really not-smart parent and they both feel really depressingly isolated
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Post by Kit's tits kick ticks on Nov 18, 2015 13:23:50 GMT -5
I think everyone is good at something different, so it's not too unfair. What I find unfair is that jobs where you need other talents are generally paid less than jobs where you need to be intelligent.
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Post by Emerald Snicket on Nov 18, 2015 13:27:07 GMT -5
Everyone calls me a nerd and bullied/s me for reading like 24/7 so... *shrug* I don't know if they genuinely think that intelligence is bad or if they scorn nerdiness/geekdom for some weird psychological reason, but the general public doesn't seem all too bothered with their intelligence level.
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Post by Kit's tits kick ticks on Nov 18, 2015 13:43:03 GMT -5
Intelligence has not that much to do with nerdiness. I went to a school only for people with a high IQ, and maybe 10% of the people there could count as nerdy, and maybe a third of those nerdy ones were the reading kind of nerd. Most people there were just the same as everyone else.
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Post by penne on Nov 18, 2015 14:21:04 GMT -5
like i don't think intelligence is inherited though. i mean, we all have our limitations, but apart from when there's some sort of disability involved, i think it's mostly up to how much effort you put into studying/critical thinking, or whether you're even in an environment where you would get introduced to those things and be supported in your dedication to them
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Post by Kit's tits kick ticks on Nov 18, 2015 14:39:08 GMT -5
I don't agree with that. I have very low motivation and energy, and I normally don't put any effort into anything. I always just did what people told me and nothing more, and still I somehow ended up learning thigns faster than most other people. I think people who are less intelligent can make up for it with lots of effort and motivation, but there can be lazy intellgent people too.
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Post by Hermes on Nov 18, 2015 15:40:37 GMT -5
I think if you just do what people tell you, you are probably more motivated than a lot of people.
I do think it's odd that so many people are agreeing that intelligence is inherited. Though 'intelligence' isn't just one thing, and some of the complex collection of abilities we call that may have an inherited component; who knows? Also, 'inherited' and 'up to you' aren't the only possibilities; the environment we grow up in makes a difference as well.
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Post by soufflé on Nov 18, 2015 19:34:16 GMT -5
i was just basing it off the notion of spearman's g factor and that that has a high heritability rate, as does iq
but yes obviously if you're not quite as bright as some others and put in the effort, you'd definitely be able to perform as well on tests or whatnot, but i think the fact that it would take much more effort points to the importance of a different trait, perseverance over learning facility or adaptability which is what i meant by "intelligence" (because as far as i know there's more scientific evidence in the brain of g-factor type "intelligence" and the gardner "multiple intelligences" theory)
but i mean you're the professor you probably know more about this than i do
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Post by soufflé on Nov 18, 2015 19:40:25 GMT -5
true though that environment is important, especially prenatal factors
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Post by penne on Nov 18, 2015 20:41:18 GMT -5
lool i wasn't aware this was a science-y discussion, i based my opinion on more of a sociological and philosophical/epistemological point of view, and i think (?) maybe hermes did too
i was really just saying the first thoughts that came to mind though, clearly you have a lot more knowledge on the subject than i do (i don't know anything about psychology)
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Post by soufflé on Nov 18, 2015 20:45:16 GMT -5
I was just backing up the premise with science so that we could discuss the implications in a less sciencey way
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