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Post by doetwin on Jan 13, 2018 23:46:36 GMT -5
The most ideal way to adapt 13 books into 3 seasons is for 1 season to cover 5 books and for the other 2 to cover 4 books, as has been laid out. However, since hearing the news that TE was going to be one episode, it seems rather odd that TCC is laid out to be the end of season 2 instead of the beginning of season 3. The way it is now, season 2 will have 10 episodes and season 3 will have 7 episodes. But if TCC were to get switched to season 3, season 2 would have 8 episodes and season 3 would have 9 episodes. Also, this way, each of seasons would be covering 4 of the pre-TE books. This 2nd season is covering more books than 1st season, yet books 5 through 9 are generally longer than books 1 through 4.
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Post by gothicarchiesfan on Jan 14, 2018 0:05:27 GMT -5
I'm not sure how any of us can really answer this question. I can only assume that when Daniel Handler and the other writers on the show came up with the expanded plot of the show for each season, they thought they could wrap up the storylines in Season 2 better in the Carnivorous Carnival than the Hostile Hospital.
:Edit: For example, they seem to have given Olivia Caliban/Madame Lulu, a season-long character arc starting from Prufrock. It wouldn't make much narrative sense to have her hanging around for most of season 2 just to kill her off in the first episodes of the new season instead.
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Post by doetwin on Jan 14, 2018 0:51:13 GMT -5
I'm not sure how any of us can really answer this question. I can only assume that when Daniel Handler and the other writers on the show came up with the expanded plot of the show for each season, they thought they could wrap up the storylines in Season 2 better in the Carnivorous Carnival than the Hostile Hospital. :Edit: For example, they seem to have given Olivia Caliban/Madame Lulu, a season-long character arc starting from Prufrock. It wouldn't make much narrative sense to have her hanging around for most of season 2 just to kill her off in the first episodes of the new season instead. I guess that makes sense. I'm sorry to sound so persnickety, but I was a math major in college, so I tend to be really OCD about numerical decisions.
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Post by takatoguil on Jan 14, 2018 0:54:09 GMT -5
Keep in mind, TE is one episode, but it's going to be the length of two episodes. As such, financially it makes the most sense to approach things the way they did: eight episodes to start with to prove that the show will earn Netflix a profit, ten episodes in the middle with a new and improved budget, and seven (effectively eight) episodes at the end during the most CGI-intensive sequences, spread out more generously over the smaller amount of material.
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Post by Isadora Is a Door on Jan 14, 2018 3:25:11 GMT -5
I guess that makes sense. I'm sorry to sound so persnickety, but I was a math major in college, so I tend to be really OCD about numerical decisions. *maths
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Post by doetwin on Jan 14, 2018 3:27:30 GMT -5
I guess that makes sense. I'm sorry to sound so persnickety, but I was a math major in college, so I tend to be really OCD about numerical decisions. *maths Sorry. I live in America. I forgot that it's pronounced maths in the UK.
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Post by Dante on Jan 14, 2018 4:17:58 GMT -5
I would agree with takatoguil on this one. The adaptation of The End as a single episode is likely to be a stylistic decision which will give us effectively two episodes in one; it's not necessarily a reflection of the expected duration of the material. There's some suspicion that they might also give us Chapter Fourteen as an extraordinarily short final episode as a contrast, for instance. So I would suggest that, however the official numbers work out, we are informally experiencing an 8-10-8 structure - or, to put it another, 4-5-4 books, which will remain true regardless of how many episodes they divide things into.
Added to that, there may well be other compelling narrative reasons to bracket the seasons such that we end one with TCC and begin the next with TSS; TCC has the most literal cliffhanger ending in the series, for instance. I also think TCC bears greater thematic similarity in a number of respects to TVV and THH, with TSS and TGG forming a contrasting pair with the Baudelaires very much in uninhabited wildernesses. Speculation on 667 long before the official announcement was that this would be how they would structure any following seasons.
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Post by theplague on Jan 14, 2018 12:09:57 GMT -5
They might adapt the Beatrice Letters into an episode somehow, which would at least put it at 8.
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Post by mortinson51 on Jan 14, 2018 16:16:58 GMT -5
I think the order they are doing makes sense. Books 5,6 and 7 form a very natural story arc. So they make sense to be in one season. While book 8,9 and 10 have the snicket file arc. For me books 8 and 9 deal a lot with the snicker file while it is wrapped up very quickly in book 10. It makes sense to have the snicker file really fleshed out in season 2 then solved within the first episode of season 3, so all of season 3 can deal with one coherent arc. As people have mentioned book 9 has an already built in cliffhanger. Book 8 could have worked with the children stuck in the trunk of Olaf's car heading off to an unknown location. I feel them plunging to their death while Olaf has sunny is a lot more bleaker of an ending.
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Post by coolcat667 on Jan 14, 2018 23:54:45 GMT -5
... I'm sorry to sound so persnickety, but I was a math major in college, so I tend to be really OCD about numerical decisions ... Nice pun there!
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Post by doetwin on Jan 15, 2018 1:09:43 GMT -5
... I'm sorry to sound so persnickety, but I was a math major in college, so I tend to be really OCD about numerical decisions ... Nice pun there! Thanks. I don't think it would be too far-fetched to assume that that word was one of factors that contributed to Handler's choice for his pen name.
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Post by zombieinthesnow on Jan 20, 2018 20:33:38 GMT -5
The Baudelaires participating in starting a fire (..for the first time, anyway) was a huge turning point for the series imo, so it makes dramatic sense for them to end on TCC.
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Post by gliquey on Jan 24, 2018 6:51:17 GMT -5
Do we know for a fact that it's TE that is one episode long? I thought this was just our best guess after hearing that one of the stories would be cut to one episode.
I had always anticipated that later books would get more episodes, and it still doesn't make sense to me to give TRR the same length as TPP, given that for the books, TPP is at least twice as long. If I had my way, the third season would be the longest, covering TSS-TE in 13 episodes. But even with two episodes apiece (bar one), I think TCC makes sense as the cut-off point - as Dante mentions - because of the huge cliffhanger, and also the last episode before they start to learn significant things about V.F.D. (such as what it stands for).
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Post by Dante on Jan 24, 2018 8:40:06 GMT -5
I think there is a general assumption that episodes in later seasons might be on average longer than those of the first season; it also bears remembering that the first season stories were already padded out relative to the books they were based on. We'll have to wait and see how this theory is borne out in Season 2, but I am comfortable with the idea that even the longest books in ASoUE probably do not require a greater-than-feature-length piece in order to be fairly told. So far as The End is concerned, I think it was at least confirmed that the single-episode adaptation would not be in Season 2, and it's hard to imagine them thinking it was an appropriate decision for any story other than the finale - but I believe it does remain presently an assumption. - see the following page, it is in fact confirmed.
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Post by gothicarchiesfan on Jan 24, 2018 10:31:38 GMT -5
Blast: The Netflix series has been incredibly well-received and does a wonderful job of translating the books into a visual adventure for audiences. I especially enjoyed how each book was divided into two episodes as this allowed for the show to go into far more detail than the film. Is this format of two episodes per book going to continue into the upcoming seasons or are you considering extending the episode count for season 3, since the final books are significantly longer than the earlier ones?
Handler: My understanding is that the very last book will be one extended episode rather than two disparate episodes. Source- blastmagazine.com/2017/07/03/daniel-handler-lemony-snicket-a-series-of-unfortunate-events-interview/
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