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Post by weiss on Mar 4, 2018 6:37:27 GMT -5
I don't think I or a lot of people were shocked, really. Handler making potentially offensive jokes is nothing new. true, but this is kinda different. o-o potentially is definitely different from outright.
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Post by Grace on Mar 4, 2018 7:59:38 GMT -5
I don't think I or a lot of people were shocked, really. Handler making potentially offensive jokes is nothing new. Sexual harassment claims in all contexts hold more weight than potentially offensive jokes.
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Post by Poe's Coats Host Toast on Mar 4, 2018 11:56:40 GMT -5
I think that's part of what the whole #MeToo movement is about, though, if I'm not mistaken; reassessing what constitutes as sexual misconduct. Meaning, f.ex., that some jokes that were previously considered "just" offensive, are now revealed to be the sexual harassment they are. And weiss, I think Quisby was referring to Handler's watermelon-gate, which was obviously outright offensive. I think it continues to reveal Handler's insensitivity towards other people's feelings when making ill-advised jokes, not taking into account how these jokes are made at their expense. As other people have already said, the fact that he is confronted with this and forced to deal with the way he conducts himself is the only possible right way for this to develop.
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Post by Grace on Mar 4, 2018 12:31:21 GMT -5
Yeah, my point is just that comments like that aren't helpful. This specific information is important to and was actually something new for many of us, which is why it constitutes its own thread.
I looked back at what his actual "jokes" were and I feel like I minimized a bit on this thread. He's a smart guy, he knows the difference between "I have a potty mouth, curses are fun" (which is something I am very on board with) and "I can say whatever I want to women I don't know." Like, he's grown. He grew up in New York. He knows. And he's doing it anyway. It is sexual harassment. My question was why the pages and pages of content on him specifically when there are so many other worse offenders, but in truth this forum may be the place to talk about his actions in great detail (we're not reading anyone else in such depth here, lol).
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Post by Reba on Mar 4, 2018 13:04:46 GMT -5
nah he grew up in frisco, land of libertines
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Post by weiss on Mar 5, 2018 4:28:51 GMT -5
Man, this made realize Handler has a tendency to say shocking stuff only to realize they weren't appropriate. I wonder how many incidents have to occur for him to realize his humor isn't always accepted?
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Post by Poe's Coats Host Toast on Mar 5, 2018 9:34:21 GMT -5
It says right in the article: '[Handler] acknowledged that throughout his whole life his "sense of humor has not been for everyone,"'
Question is what he does with that info now. Humour obviously doesn't have to be accepted by everybody, but when it's harassment, there's no excuse; only a vow to cut it out.
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Post by weiss on Mar 6, 2018 4:25:08 GMT -5
It says right in the article: '[Handler] acknowledged that throughout his whole life his "sense of humor has not been for everyone,"' Question is what he does with that info now. Humour obviously doesn't have to be accepted by everybody, but when it's harassment, there's no excuse; only a vow to cut it out. Maybe now he'll have a more hands-on publicist who checks speeches and stuff..
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Post by Grace on Mar 6, 2018 13:32:56 GMT -5
Man, this made realize Handler has a tendency to say shocking stuff only to realize they weren't appropriate. I wonder how many incidents have to occur for him to realize his humor isn't always accepted? IMO, he does realize the things he says may be inappropriate, but says them anyway, and yes, the new factor is his being called out.
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Post by weiss on Mar 7, 2018 3:05:07 GMT -5
Man, this made realize Handler has a tendency to say shocking stuff only to realize they weren't appropriate. I wonder how many incidents have to occur for him to realize his humor isn't always accepted? IMO, he does realize the things he says may be inappropriate, but says them anyway, and yes, the new factor is his being called out. This might be asking for a lot, but is there any instances where he does this in interviews and other stuff? Just curious. I know about the watermelon stuff and this but how about in interviews?
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Post by meinhard1 on Mar 7, 2018 13:24:33 GMT -5
Man, this made realize Handler has a tendency to say shocking stuff only to realize they weren't appropriate. I wonder how many incidents have to occur for him to realize his humor isn't always accepted? I mean my impression of him has been he has a rather quick, audacious sense of humor. We’ve all had friends who are a little more crass and unfiltered and sometimes we love them for it. The Basic Eight, which I understand to be inspired partially by his high school friend group, is rather sexual. Natasha’s character comes to mind, someone crass, unfiltered, that “friend with panache.” (Sometimes when I see a late, I think about that line about steamed milk ....) I think it is a subset of this humor which has gotten him in trouble, which MeToo is now saying needs to end. Daniel Handler must have already understood this to some extent ... maybe he thought is liberalness was a pass on some level, that it’s okay in the context of a wild literary party, or maybe it just came out because, you know, it’s the culture we exist in at this time But people do say things they don’t mean, or would not agree in retrospect. This does not give him or anyone a pass, and I do feel more skeptical of him (I continue to watch how he responds), but it also humanizes him a bit more for me. I think it says something how the group here, people who grew up with and are influenced by his work, are taking this seriously, responding with questions, talking openly; posting, in part, in order to process
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Post by weiss on Mar 8, 2018 5:30:47 GMT -5
Man, this made realize Handler has a tendency to say shocking stuff only to realize they weren't appropriate. I wonder how many incidents have to occur for him to realize his humor isn't always accepted? I mean my impression of him has been he has a rather quick, audacious sense of humor. We’ve all had friends who are a little more crass and unfiltered and sometimes we love them for it. The Basic Eight, which I understand to be inspired partially by his high school friend group, is rather sexual. Natasha’s character comes to mind, someone crass, unfiltered, that “friend with panache.” (Sometimes when I see a late, I think about that line about steamed milk ....) I think it is a subset of this humor which has gotten him in trouble, which MeToo is now saying needs to end. Daniel Handler must have already understood this to some extent ... maybe he thought is liberalness was a pass on some level, that it’s okay in the context of a wild literary party, or maybe it just came out because, you know, it’s the culture we exist in at this time But people do say things they don’t mean, or would not agree in retrospect. This does not give him or anyone a pass, and I do feel more skeptical of him (I continue to watch how he responds), but it also humanizes him a bit more for me. I think it says something how the group here, people who grew up with and are influenced by his work, are taking this seriously, responding with questions, talking openly; posting, in part, in order to process true <3
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