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Post by Liam R. Findlay on Jan 1, 2019 14:29:12 GMT -5
Here, you can discuss Netflix's Slippery Slope episodes. Spoilers are likely and acceptable.
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Post by Groge on Jan 1, 2019 15:03:07 GMT -5
Thanks for creating these threads after my post about not having them Figured from the start that we wouldn't see the use of sticky things to slow the carriage down. It's fair enough though, the drag chute was fine and done what it was intended. The rest might not have looked great on TV. Loved Sunny's age transition moment when she was cleaning up with the towel. Well played! Also she just keeps getting cuter and cuter! Her speech advancement is done so perfectly too. Strange to see Bruce replaced by Brucie but presumably they just didn't want someone who was related to Carmelita. That way she doesn't have any known family and why she seeks the love of Olaf and Esme. All and all it was a pretty solid adaption.
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Post by thumbs13 on Jan 1, 2019 15:20:00 GMT -5
The white faced women and the HoIG had clear signs of distrust the whole time, but the bald man kinda just left because everyone else did.
The freaks just being killed offscreen was shocking, especially because the henchpeople didn't die.
Quigley actually made sure they knew Anna Karenina, which is a nice touch.
The sinister duo being parental figures makes a lot of sense, but I've never thought of it.
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Post by mortinson51 on Jan 1, 2019 15:42:41 GMT -5
I really loved these episodes. I think they might be some of my favorite. I think it did a really good job of adapting the books. The sinister dou are amazing. The final image of them toasting looking over the burning city is probably one of the most stricking images of the show so far.
I have to admit I hated Poe in this. I didn't mind him with Mrs. Bass I was totally fine with that. But when he is randomly there on the mountain the next scene I literally and figuratively rolled my eyes. Kit is amazing and Poe's presence just brought her scenes down.
These episode had me actually laughing at loud sometimes. I feel like they had a great balance of humor and a serous tone.
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Post by Violent BUN Fortuna on Jan 1, 2019 16:02:52 GMT -5
Seen them, but just commenting for now to keep track of this thread because I have so many thoughts and not enough energy to write them all down after a very emotionally draining day, thanks to watching the entire season and being struck by an overwhelming sadness (I feel I need to rewatch this final season again and again but goodness, I don't know how I'll cope).
What I will say for now though is that I adored these episodes, I think they were really well done. But I have so much more to say later -- so many points to discuss!
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Post by Mr. Dent on Jan 1, 2019 16:33:36 GMT -5
That was really good, wasn't it? Probably the best season opener. The Sinister Duo are magnificent, and the interactions between Sunny and her siblings is genuinely very touching.
I suppose my biggest complaint would be the anticlimactic and disappointing deaths of the Freaks. Granted, it was a funny joke, but they deserved much more. I don't think that opinion is going to be a controversial one, as others here have noted their dissatisfaction already.
I was worried they were going to try and make Poe a sympathetic character with his interaction with Kit, but I'm honestly kind of happy that's not the case? Like it's shocking and horrific, but Mr. Poe's immediate response to all the fires is delight that there are now more orphans for him to do business with... Is consistent with Poe's character in the show, in the most horrible way.
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Post by Liam R. Findlay on Jan 1, 2019 16:49:50 GMT -5
I suppose my biggest complaint would be the anticlimactic and disappointing deaths of the Freaks. Granted, it was a funny joke, but they deserved much more. I don't think that opinion is going to be a controversial one, as others here have noted their dissatisfaction already. I was worried they were going to try and make Poe a sympathetic character with his interaction with Kit, but I'm honestly kind of happy that's not the case? Like it's shocking and horrific, but Mr. Poe's immediate response to all the fires is delight that there are now more orphans for him to do business with... Is consistent with Poe's character in the show, in the most horrible way. I love the freaks' death because it was so unexpected and beyond the kind of ruthlessness we'd ever seen in the show. Despite the weasel lines (probably necessary for a family show), I didn't see it so much of a joke opportunity but rather the show saying 'Yes, we just killed the freaks. Things are getting serious in this season.' I agree in regards to Poe. I feel that, as the audience, we've always tolerated Poe as an idiot, but in this season, his unpleasant qualities and the harmful consequences of his ignorance are emphasised, which helps round him off as a character.
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Post by veryferociousdrama on Jan 1, 2019 16:57:30 GMT -5
A good way to start off the end. Felt the death of the freaks a little uncalled for though. Fernald was the top character for me, I thought he was good. I'm also glad Baldy and the HofIG departed with the White-Faced Women, it proved interesting viewing. I'm sitting here laughing at ths fact that they probably bought Remora and Bass back in TCC, just to do that joke! Richard E Grant was also good. I like how the fires are nearly on a post-apocalyptic scale.
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Post by Mr. Dent on Jan 1, 2019 17:05:01 GMT -5
Donno, I do think of the deaths of the Freaks as being a joke rather than anything else. Especially since all of the Henchpeople got off perfectly well, the whole scene very much felt like "what's a funny way to dispose of all these unnecessary characters we don't need?" I know crossing tragedy with comedy is ASOUE's cornerstone, but the Freak's death felt much more comedic than anything else. The juxtaposition of their screams with Olaf's absolute disregard, and the way their deaths are felt by absolutely nobody until Fernald brings it up as gossip material... they don't exactly feel like harbingers of a darker tone, especially when compared to how this episode ends.
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Post by coolcat667 on Jan 1, 2019 23:49:39 GMT -5
Also, aren't the freaks supposed to be in TPP?
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Post by imlarryyourwaiter on Jan 2, 2019 0:06:22 GMT -5
Also, aren't the freaks supposed to be in TPP? Perhaps the actors couldn’t make it to film then. I’d prefer some conclusion rather than none.
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Post by lanayru on Jan 2, 2019 1:47:19 GMT -5
Finally just got time to watch the first two episodes, so here are some of my quick thoughts. For the record, I reread TBB-TCC about a year or two ago but it’s been years and years since I’ve picked up TSS-TE so I’ve forgotten a lot. Forgive me for any typos.
-The interactions between Hooky and Sunny were great, as always.
-Sunny is adorable, as always.
-Seeing a younger Olaf was really jarring at first. I almost forgot that NPH didn’t look that haggard lol. I like making the Sinister Duo his mentors and pseudo parent figures.
-I’m not sure if it’s because I was a kid last time I read all of the books and it went over my head or if the show emphasized it more but in these episodes there were strong themes about the cycles of abuse, and how victims of abuse can sometimes become perpetrators themselves. The Sinister Duo victimized Olaf, who in turn victimized his troupe and the Baudelaires, and it’s even echoed a bit with how the troupe treats the freaks.
-Not sure how I feel about this version of Kit yet but I’m leaning towards positive for now.
-It’s funny watching that scene with Quigley and Violet because as a kid, I thought that part in the book was the most romantic thing ever, but now I’m an adult watching it and it’s cute but, you know. Nothing like how I built it up.
-That scene with Violet and Sunny where Sunny ties her hair up, reminiscent of Violet, and then Sunny saying it was Violet who made her brave was sooooo good.
-It sounds like they reused the ominous music from THH for the part where Esme is in the VFD headquarters.
-The moment they think Sunny’s dead is so heartbreaking. Klaus tries to physically fight Hooky. Poor kids : (
-I remember awhile ago people were talking about how it seems to be implied that Hooky is in love with Olaf and these episodes definitely support that. Which. Idk how to feel about that. It’s pretty sad, in typical ASOUE fashion. However, it kind of touches on my mixed feelings wrt gay representation in ASOUE. On one hand, they made Sir and Charles a lot more explicitly a couple on the show than I thought they would. On the other, it’s still an implication that can be missed, same with Hooky’s supposed unrequited feelings. Meanwhile, all the heterosexual relationships are pretty unambiguously romantic, including Olivia and Jacques, which was completely made up for the show. This isn’t a criticism, necessarily, but it just kind of touches on my frustration with media in general relegating gay characters to implication. The show’s not over yet, though, I guess.
-Quigley being swept away by the river in the book was a lot more heartbreaking than what happened in the show imo. It didn’t have the same ambiguity, the same danger. I wonder if they had plot reasons to keep it frozen until the end, other than the submarine emerging from under the ice.
-I did not expect that ending!!
-Overall I liked it! It’s nice to have this show back and I’m very anxious to see what they do with the next episodes.
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Post by doetwin on Jan 2, 2019 2:50:52 GMT -5
Honestly, the Sunny-death fake-out didn't work for me at all. Even those who haven't read the books would know one of the Baudelaires when there are still 5 more episodes is highly unlikely. I also got annoyed by those heart-to-hearts that Sunny and HHM had. Other than that, these 2 episodes were quite enjoyable. I especially liked how the Baudelaires' were planning to go through with their plan to hold Esme hostage and only failing because she outsmarted them, rather than backing out at the last minute for BS moral reasons. I know this is minor, but seeing the ruins of VFD head-quarters before hearing the villains profess that they it burned made the scene where Violet, Klaus, and Quigley walked into the head-quarters much more powerful.
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Post by lemonmeringue on Jan 2, 2019 12:21:27 GMT -5
Actually, I found these episodes particularly lovely, especially the second. Sunny!
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Post by gamegenie on Jan 2, 2019 13:53:33 GMT -5
When Hooks asked if the Bald man with the Beard and the Woman with Long Hair was his parents, Count Olaf said he meant that "figuratively".
But throughout the entire series it was a running gag that he get "figuratively" and "literally" wrong, but in this one time he knew the correct meaning?
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