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Post by imlarryyourwaiter on Jan 5, 2019 12:03:22 GMT -5
It's quite amusing how, in A Series of Unfortunate Events, where there is treachery, murder and no happy ending, Larry the waiter's death is too far or distasteful for some fans. Like with the freaks' deaths, I was suitably excited by such an unexpected dispatch, because it showed that even as a book reader who thinks they know what's going to happen, things were still incredibly intense and unpredictable. I also like how it gave Ernest his time to shine as a villain. We don't see very much of the triplets, and it was good to see the true danger he posed, beyond a simple aura of sneakiness. While I’m not against his death and I think it helps as his extended character would take off his blindfold so they needed to get rid of him, this death was just the most unexpected to me as it wasn’t in the book. Every other one besides the freaks’ I was prepared for by years.
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Post by Mr. Dent on Jan 5, 2019 12:53:04 GMT -5
I joke about being mad at Larry's death, but I don't really object to it. The deaths of Larry and the Freaks this season standout because they're both so casual and unceremonious compared to previous deaths in the show. They just kind of happen, and nobody ever really comments on them or mourns. They have much more in common with the deaths of Miss Tench or Babs in the books, or even Gustav in the film, than they do with the big tragic deaths the show's gone with before.
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Post by penguinnj on Jan 5, 2019 15:16:22 GMT -5
Just want to mention- I thought Max Greenfield was great as the Denouements- he managed to play each one a bit differently and I thought had really cute chemistry with Kit in their scene together.
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Post by Uncle Algernon on Jan 5, 2019 15:26:06 GMT -5
I joke about being mad at Larry's death, but I don't really object to it. The deaths of Larry and the Freaks this season standout because they're both so casual and unceremonious compared to previous deaths in the show. They just kind of happen, and nobody ever really comments on them or mourns. They have much more in common with the deaths of Miss Tench or Babs in the books, or even Gustav in the film, than they do with the big tragic deaths the show's gone with before. I'm not sure Gustav is meant to be dead in the film… Being tied to a train engine is… I mean, it would probably be deadly in real life, but since it's not shown to be, one is left with only the fact of how cartoonish it is to work with and speculate on what happened next. And in cartoon logic this wouldn't be fatal. 1It really just struck me as being of the same order as the time Netflix!Olaf tied Jacquelyn 2 to a tree back in Season 1. "Olaf, being a buffoonish ham, randomly decides to dispose of a side-character by cartoonishly tying them to a random implement, as opposed to making any serious stab at murdering them. The character may pop-up entirely healthy in the next episode/film, probably without even an explanation of how they got out of the predicament." Of course, being tied to a train would, IRL, be rather more precarious than being tied to a tree… but again, cartoon logic is key. Indeed, I think the problem with Larry's death isn't so much its existence as that it's framed as a "buffoonish Olaf-dispatches-the-side-character-in-cartoony-and-non-fatal-ways scene" 3, like we're meant to outright laugh at it; but then it becomes clear that this actually killed Larry, and you're left thinking of how gruesome the death actually is if you take it seriously, and you feel vaguely dirty for sniggering at it earlier back when you thought this was just a comedic mishap. By contrast, the Freaks' deaths are afterwards the subject of a joke ("Probably weasels"), yes. But the death itself isn't comical or cartoonish per se; nothing inherently comical about being run through with a sword. Nothing you could temporarily confuse for a non-fatal gag. 1: If it help, picture Gustav as a coyote or some other animated canine. 2: Or is it Jacqueline? I think we used to overwhelmingly spell it Jacquelyn back when we were discussing her upon Season 1's release, but Netflix's captions definitely spell it Jacqueline in Season 3.
3: I would suggest the "Scaring Babs" scene from THH as another example of this mini-genre, especially as it shares Larry's Death's movie-reference aspect, what with the Troupe going Shining on Babs and Olaf going Goldfinger on Larry.
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Post by Mr. Dent on Jan 5, 2019 15:54:58 GMT -5
But a look at the TSS thread will show most people did indeed assume that the Freaks' death scene was nonfatal, and just a joke. A lot of people were under the impression the Freaks would appear again, or be rescued, just as people thought in Larry's case.
I didn't think that the Freaks or Larry had survived, however I really did expect for there to be some sort of resolution to their deaths. All the Freaks had was Kit looking worried, and Larry had even less. One of the things I'd lauded the show for over the film was how it allows for the children and for the audience to mourn and grieve when it's characters died, but the Freaks and Larry don't get that. They're axed, and the show goes on as if they weren't. I think that's what it has in common with the side character deaths from the books. People die and basically it affects nobody.
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Post by Violent BUN Fortuna on Jan 6, 2019 19:27:04 GMT -5
I'm not sure if anyone else has mentioned this, but the honking noise Jerome made in the sauna is still haunting me.
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Post by lorelai on Jan 7, 2019 12:10:17 GMT -5
They did a beautiful job making us care about Kit and Dewey in such a short time, and auditorily there is a great pitch distinction between the triplets. Lemony shines, I love the implication Esme wanted to keep the sugar bowl as much to show she could be a recruit on the level of Olivia, adding a new layer of contempt to their season 2 moments, and the perfection of Olaf pinning everything on an accident is so ASOUE. I just loved it and the whole season. Anyone know what aria is sung in part two?
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Post by Dante on Jan 7, 2019 14:09:37 GMT -5
Anyone know what aria is sung in part two? Could it be original? The credits for TPP Part 1 include "Beatrice's Theme Sung By: Annica Howard". (I'm not certain it's actually sung at all in Part 1; but the ASoUE credits appear to be a bit unintuitive about when they choose to credit people.)
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Post by mizbizsav on Jan 7, 2019 18:11:55 GMT -5
I finished The End this weekend and I have SO many thoughts, about all of the episodes, but right now I can't get this out of my head: Olaf sending Esme and Carmelita right to the source of the fire, almost certainly ensuring they have horrible fiery deaths. He tells them not to go to the laundry room where the sugar bowl is most definitely not located, which of course is going to have them hurry down there. Like he not just tells them to stay put - he sends them to the part of the hotel where the fire will be the most raging. His cruelty in that moment really struck me.
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Post by lorelai on Jan 7, 2019 21:25:10 GMT -5
Anyone know what aria is sung in part two? Could it be original? The credits for TPP Part 1 include "Beatrice's Theme Sung By: Annica Howard". (I'm not certain it's actually sung at all in Part 1; but the ASoUE credits appear to be a bit unintuitive about when they choose to credit people.) Either that or "Pace pace mio Dio" which is from the opera and the best match from what I can tell.
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Post by Shelly on Jan 8, 2019 6:04:29 GMT -5
This is my favourite book of them all, and I'm pleased to say it met my expectations. I think back to little Shelly reading it for the first time on release, and my heart felt full watching this in turn yesterday. Does everyone agree that Max Greenfield as the denouement brothers was a really good casting choice and that he nailed the characters? Just want to mention- I thought Max Greenfield was great as the Denouements- he managed to play each one a bit differently and I thought had really cute chemistry with Kit in their scene together. Most definitely agree. I do appreciate Kit's line about telling them apart by close observation - there's certainly little tics that would give away differences between twins/triplets/etc. Though you could probably only tell by spending lots of time with one (as another family member/friend/partner), so this comment from her already speaks volumes about Kit and Dewey's familiarity. My goodness the sets. Gorgeous gorgeous gorgeous. Everything was so so beautifully designed from the roads and hedges to the hotel and everything inside it — the bells, the underground library, the benches, the clock, the area which isn't the underground library but which had all those tiny drawers and the chutes for things to be delivered ... In a similar vein, the costumes. Violet’s almost-book-dress. ❤️ The concierge uniforms were lovely. Sunny was adorable as always. ALL THAT GREEN . The split screen and rewinding the clock for the Baudelaires’ errands worked really well. I really appreciate moments like that, where they take a clever and funny literary device from the books and turn it into a clever and funny cinematic device for the show. I just think it's a mark of how well-produced this series is, that they take the time to think of that sort of thing, instead of going for a more plain adaptation and ignoring things which don't immediately translate to the screen. The split screen was such a fantastic way to visually represent some of my favourite few chapters in this book; enhancing the mysteriousness and secrecy of the hotel and its guests. The hotel's quite stunning. I was a little disappointed that they didn't have the hotel exterior/signage backwards to result in the correct reflection in the pond. That was the juicy part of the twist for me reading the book, that the villains could burn down TNEMEUONED LETOH without finding the sub-library in the true Hotel. Ah well.
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Post by Violent BUN Fortuna on Jan 10, 2019 16:14:46 GMT -5
Yes!! I always loved that reveal; the idea that the TRUE last safe place remains secret and safe was satisfying, comforting in a typically melancholic way, and deliciously amusing given how it was literally right in front of everyone the entire time, but no one thought to really properly consider why the letters were reversed. And also I'm a sucker for secret rooms and passageways. So it was a shame to lose that.
It would also have been fun if they had had Patrick Warburton speaking in reverse, to mirror (haha) the section of the book which is written in mirror writing -- of course, you don't get garbled sound when you rewind on Netflix, so it wouldn't have worked quite as well as it might have done had these been released on VHS or something, because then people could have rewound it to hear what he was saying ... I think. But anyway, that's just an amusing thought.
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Post by imlarryyourwaiter on Jan 14, 2019 2:55:57 GMT -5
When did Lemony see Beatrice last? I thought the scene at the end of these episodes made it seem like it was then, but he appears in the photo of Beatrice with Bertrand as newlyweds. If anyone is less confused feel free to share, thanks!
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Post by Mr. Dent on Jan 14, 2019 14:30:47 GMT -5
I imagine he visited now and again, but he couldn't exactly live with her or anything after going on the run. I don't think there's any indication of a specific, canon last meeting between the two.
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Post by Liam R. Findlay on Jan 19, 2019 5:36:59 GMT -5
Let's ask the classic question of the show world- who do you think might have survived the fire? Obviously, there is no answer, so I'm going to speculate on the 0.1% guidance we have.
I'm inclined to believe that more terrible people would have survived than noble people, due to the way of the Snicket world, although I think there would be an interest in at least one of the sinister duo dying. I can't see such a powerful couple going down so easily (being on the bottom floor), so either way, I don't think both would have died.
I think Mr. Poe would have survived, because he is the kind of inconvenient person who would never die (especially as his role as an inconvenience who never goes away is emphasised in the show, plus the crew love him coming back over and over).
I think Babs' fate would be left to fate in the real world (the same applies for Nero), just as Hal's and Larry's fates were, and this is where the nature of it being TV comes in the most. If more episodes were to be made, I think whether or not these characters who no longer carry narrative purpose died would be down to if they needed to appear again to fill an interchangeable role. Jerome is similar, unless he were incorporated into the plot with Strauss for more Baudelaire hunting.
Esme and Carmelita are the most interesting to me. I think Esme completed her circle, and it was most appropriate for her to destroy herself in searching for the sugar bowl, so I feel her death would work perfectly. Meanwhile, Carmelita's story was just beginning; I like to think she would have escaped, when delirious and desperate Esme refused to leave the flames of the laundry room, and she would go on to grow up under the influence that Esme had upon her, either as a prominent villain or a very complex ambiguous character.
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