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Post by lsandthebooks on Sept 3, 2019 18:36:30 GMT -5
Olaf is already suspected of being a crminal right? So if the kids went to the police about his child abuse, then at least there would be a record of abuse. I just think it's odd how they only ever try and talk to Mr.Poe.
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Post by tonyvfd on Sept 3, 2019 21:12:17 GMT -5
He wasn't a criminal back then, he was a semi success actor,that got positive reviews in several small magazines. Perhaps they thought the police would be as helpful as Poe, or they could not go there by their own, as they lack a motorized transportation.
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Post by Dante on Sept 4, 2019 10:36:39 GMT -5
Corporal punishment by a parent or guardian is still legal in many countries today.
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Post by Foxy on Sept 4, 2019 11:30:30 GMT -5
He wasn't a criminal back then, he was a semi success actor,that got positive reviews in several small magazines. Perhaps they thought the police would be as helpful as Poe, or they could not go there by their own, as they lack a motorized transportation. I think calling Olaf a semi-successful actor might be an exaggeration... I can't remember, which book did it talk about the magazine reviews in? I dunno, if they could walk to the bank, they could walk to the police station. But I think as a child, thinking about my own childhood, you try to talk to adults you know and trust, and we only here about Mr. Poe falling into that category. You hope that the person you talk to can help you. They would probably have felt too intimidated to go to the police and have worried the police wouldn't believe them. Do the police even exist in these books? I don't remember them ever showing up in any of the books. Corporal punishment by a parent or guardian is still legal in many countries today. Yes... but I think if your child has bruises on them, CPS (Child Protective Services) would be giving you a knock on your door.
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Post by Optimism is my Phil-osophy on Sept 4, 2019 11:46:11 GMT -5
Foxy, The police exists and is quoted in Taa, when Lemomy says that Olaf managed to escape by plane disguising the queaquire of dogs. I think it's in Chapter 13.
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Post by Dante on Sept 4, 2019 16:33:37 GMT -5
Additionally, the authorities surround the hotel in TPP during the trial. It's my recollection that the word "authorities" is used in almost if not all instances where we would otherwise expect to see the word "police", but it's fairly clear to me that that is what is meant.
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Post by lsandthebooks on Sept 4, 2019 17:28:34 GMT -5
Additionally, the authorities surround the hotel in TPP during the trial. It's my recollection that the word "authorities" is used in almost if not all instances where we would otherwise expect to see the word "police", but it's fairly clear to me that that is what is meant. This is why I don't understand why the kids refused to get in the taxi in Book 12. Why would you stay in a place filled with dangerous people...? Going with a random taxi driver is much better than staying with Olaf. I wonder if the Baudelaire kids actually have much of a survival instinct. It seems like they're just used to doing whatever they're told. They can get out of terrible situations, but they never just run away or rebel directly. They just tolerate the abuse. Which is odd, because the Baudelaire parents don't seem to be abusive at all. I don't get why the Baudelaire kids never run away...even at the trial in Book 12, they barely tried to defend themselves. They just let everyone think they were guilty.
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Post by tonyvfd on Sept 4, 2019 20:16:26 GMT -5
I think they're to polite for their own sake. In book one and fourth they talk about running away getting jobs, but didn't go with it. It would have being interesting that handler explored that route.
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Post by tonyvfd on Sept 4, 2019 21:22:54 GMT -5
He wasn't a criminal back then, he was a semi success actor,that got positive reviews in several small magazines. Perhaps they thought the police would be as helpful as Poe, or they could not go there by their own, as they lack a motorized transportation. I think calling Olaf a semi-successful actor might be an exaggeration... I can't remember, which book did it talk about the magazine reviews in? I dunno, if they could walk to the bank, they could walk to the police station. But I think as a child, thinking about my own childhood, you try to talk to adults you know and trust, and we only here about Mr. Poe falling into that category. You hope that the person you talk to can help you. They would probably have felt too intimidated to go to the police and have worried the police wouldn't believe them. Do the police even exist in these books? I don't remember them ever showing up in any of the books. Corporal punishment by a parent or guardian is still legal in many countries today. Yes... but I think if your child has bruises on them, CPS (Child Protective Services) would be giving you a knock on your door. In the bad begging Poe says that he is a famous actor that goes on tours, so in the books at least I would say he was not so bad actor as in the series, and I would say they went that route just for comedic purposes.About the magazines that's something that I got from the series.poe is the closest thing to cps in the snicketverse.
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Post by Foxy on Sept 5, 2019 11:42:10 GMT -5
Hmm... the fact that the word "authorities" is used a lot instead of the word "police" is suspicious to me...
I think the kids didn't know how to act when being abused exactly because their parents had not been abusive to them. Perhaps the Baudelaires are in a bit of shock of how Count Olaf treats them. I would almost say there is some learned helplessness going on, except they manage to get themselves out of a lot of sticky situations all on their own... maybe that's the point of the books. Kids have to do things for themselves because adults won't. It's actually a fairly depressing premise.
Good points, tonyvfd.
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Post by Dante on Sept 6, 2019 15:28:58 GMT -5
Additionally, the authorities surround the hotel in TPP during the trial. It's my recollection that the word "authorities" is used in almost if not all instances where we would otherwise expect to see the word "police", but it's fairly clear to me that that is what is meant. This is why I don't understand why the kids refused to get in the taxi in Book 12. Why would you stay in a place filled with dangerous people...? Going with a random taxi driver is much better than staying with Olaf. Because they have just been learning about an amazing trial to bring the villains to justice, and at this point in time still have some faith in the power of justice and the law, especially as represented by a personal friend of theirs who they know is a good person. Conversely, once they learn that the High Court is de facto controlled by the sinister duo, the man with a beard but no hair and the woman with hair but no beard - they give up on legal authorities and make a run for it.
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