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Post by Vacuum Pot on Oct 15, 2003 11:18:34 GMT -5
Yes, Swans... You're so cliche.
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Post by mebs72 on Oct 15, 2003 12:08:06 GMT -5
How do you feel about pedophiles? I'm not talking about any sexual acts but just the factor of attraction. Do you guys consider that "okay" for like a forty year old man to be attracted to a six year old girl? Do you feel pedophiles "can't help it" like with the case of homosexuals.. or is it different when dealing with pedophiles? Obviously the rules are completely different. But the concept is the same. On the side of genetics, if the reason some people are gay, some are paedophiles etc is because they chose to be, then why is it that they even have those feelings in the first place? If that was the case, wouldn't everyone, occasionally, and then have to chose that they were going to be hetero/ not a paedophile? Maybe I'm not seeing the wood through the trees here, but why is it that people have such radical varieties all down to genetics?
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Post by mebs72 on Oct 15, 2003 12:37:03 GMT -5
I didn't say that...well, I didn't mean it anyway. I meant that obvioiusly the rules in dealing with paedophiles are different because the law recognises it as being wrong. I still think the reason they become paedophiles is down to genetics. Even if this isn't so, there is actually a direct correllation being explored at the moment between homosexuality and a male/female chormosome imbalance. I'm staying with science on this one
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Post by mebs72 on Oct 15, 2003 13:37:56 GMT -5
The rules are different for the rather obvious reason that homosexual relations are consensual, whereas when a paedophile has relations with a child it is never consensual.
The attraction on its own is not a choice, acting on it is. In a homosexual relationship this is fine. When a paedophile harms a child, they are acting on a feeling they cannot help. It could be argued that, as the feeling is there, they have to act on it. It's a shady legal area.
But in short, the attraction, which is down to genetics, leads the the action, which is then due to choice. The consequences of the two situations are very different as morals dictate that most people view them in very different ways. It all comes down to morals and the current ideas of common decency in the end.
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Post by LemonLady on Oct 15, 2003 23:26:15 GMT -5
To be honest, I have never met a gay person in my whole life. Ive just never had the oppertunity. So I cant really say if Im homophobic or not. But I can say, that when Im watching TV and they show two girls or gyus going at it, it makes me feel uncomfortable. But a guy and a girl going at it makes me uncomfortable too. If someone is cruel to someone else because they are gay and calls them names and talks behind there backs, you have plenty of reasont to be mad. But if someone is uncomfortable around gay people and wishes to avoid them, then its just plain irgnorant to be mad at them. They cant help it. Most people dont like the sound of nails on the chalk board, thats just how they are. My friend is always calling everything gay and it bugs there crap out of me. How can a cell phone or a ugly car be gay. That is really unrespectful and stupid. But if someone says "I dont want to be around him. Hes gay and he says and does stuff that makes me uncomfortable" but they dont talk mean about gay people then its unrespectful and stupid to be mad at them for being homophobic. So theres my opinion *steps down from soap box*
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Post by mebs72 on Oct 16, 2003 13:22:56 GMT -5
There is a difference in being born white and being born a homosexual-- you can't change that you are white but you can change your sexuality quite easily. Goodness me, that is such an ignorant view that I am actually incredulous. Some of the opinions that I've read in the past few days have absolutely astounded me. I’m shocked that there are people that still think in such a way that can only be described as backwards by modern standards. For the first time in a long time I’m nothing short of proud that I live in England where such views as the ones I have recently read would be laughed at and ridiculed for the prejudice. I have been so wound up by this that I really do think its best if I leave this thread and read no more of it. Good day.
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Post by MambaduMal on Oct 16, 2003 16:20:10 GMT -5
This is ridiculous. This is supposed to be a discussion thread. If yu disagree with someone's views, by all means oppose them and post some good arguments.
This isn't deeply personal, please don't be hurt by anything that's said. Even though I completely disagree with swans' point of view on this, I'm willing to listen to it and consider any points which might be valid. She has every right to make her arguments as everyone else does.
I think that it's terrible to be mean to homosexuals or taunt them openly. They are people too, and one of the most divine things a human can be is to be non-judgmental simply by a person's status. The Bible (and many other religious things) say that only by loving your fellow man and being giving and accepting can you be a truly good person.
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Post by BSam on Oct 16, 2003 16:25:49 GMT -5
The Bible (and many other religious things) say that only by loving your fellow man...can you be a truly good person. i don't think they mean you need to take it that far tho...
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Post by BSam on Oct 16, 2003 16:43:32 GMT -5
I hope you aren't implying something there, BSam.. because God's word was not talking about that type of love. i was implying...but saying that the bible didn't mean the same as what i was implying...if you see what i mean... am i making scents?
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Post by BSam on Oct 16, 2003 16:53:44 GMT -5
keeping with your analogy then i don't think i use a toilet...
but...i wasn't mocking was i?
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Post by pennyroyal on Oct 16, 2003 16:54:38 GMT -5
I don't think you were.
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Post by Kobolos on Oct 16, 2003 17:21:19 GMT -5
*straightens the bill of his hat* dear me, I cannot believe I'm posting...but I must agree, that the bible is very straightforward in it's message that man shall not lie with man...
Leviticus 18:22, "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."
Leviticus 20:13, "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
Deuteronomy 23:17, "There shall be no monkey of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel."
I will gloss over the argument of what caused the fall of Sodom and Gomorrah and get to my point...with the addition of a gay Episcopalian official (Bishop wasn't it?) and the growing ranks of homosexual Christians, it makes me want to scratch my head...the Christian Bible is as clear on this subject as it is on individuals who claim to be Christian witches...
BTW: "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." (Exodus 22:18)
The Church wants no part of them...It's sad really...but at least they aren't advocating their death anymore.
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Post by Adamthemoderador on Oct 16, 2003 17:28:57 GMT -5
yeah i agree homophobic is a really really bad thing for people to have.
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Post by pennyroyal on Oct 16, 2003 17:31:51 GMT -5
VETE LA MIERDE, adam. *straightens the bill of his hat* dear me, I cannot believe I'm posting...but I must agree, that the bible is very straightforward in it's message that man shall not lie with man... Leviticus 18:22, "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination." Leviticus 20:13, "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them." Deuteronomy 23:17, "There shall be no monkey of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel." I will gloss over the argument of what caused the fall of Sodom and Gomorrah and get to my point...with the addition of a gay Episcopalian official (Bishop wasn't it?) and the growing ranks of homosexual Christians, it makes me want to scratch my head...the Christian Bible is as clear on this subject as it is on individuals who claim to be Christian witches... BTW: "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." (Exodus 22:18) The Church wants no part of them...It's sad really...but at least they aren't advocating their death anymore. I think it says that only the action is wrong... not the feelings...
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Post by BSam on Oct 16, 2003 17:49:35 GMT -5
a question... if everyone is living in sin(let he who is without sin cast the first stone etc...) does it really matter what sort of sin it is?
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