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Post by JustDominic on Dec 17, 2004 20:05:31 GMT -5
Pg. 179-180 or 180-181 I can't remember, of TWW, It says that the Baud's dad had a cousin who was so malevolent that she would burn ants with a maginifying glass, and then Violet remembers this story to help save them while on the boat. The Baud's dad's cousin was a woman. I'm thinking, it could have been Esme, but then why wouldn't the kids have gone directly to her. A second cousin is by far closer family than a mysterious count. It also says describes a word which was used to describe the cousin as, "something Count Olaf would do at about your age." If it were not for the pronouns of "she" and "her" in this little tidbit thing...I would think that the cousing was Olaf, but this simply cannot be. Maybe it is The Woman With Hair But No Beard??? I don't know.
I'm seeing the movie in a few hours!!!
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Post by Dante on Dec 18, 2004 2:31:15 GMT -5
There's already a thread on this. But since it's ages old, I'll allow speculation to continue here.
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Post by SnicketFires on Dec 18, 2004 15:45:27 GMT -5
You know, until I heard the audiotape of TWW, I had thought it was Olaf? There's me, ignoring the "she" and "her's" again.
I immediatly jumped to the Esmé conclusion, but Esmé doesn't have any real relation to the Baudelaires that is noted, but she's most likely not telling anyone. I'm pretty sure Jerome says something about not being a relative to the orphans, but Esmé might not have told him, either...
On the Lady with Hair. It is speculated that she (called N, I beleive) is Olaf's sister, which would make her either a fourth cousin three times removed or a third cousin four times removed. But that is only speculation.
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Post by Antenora on Dec 18, 2004 17:08:52 GMT -5
On the Lady with Hair. It is speculated that she (called N, I beleive) is Olaf's sister, which would make her either a fourth cousin three times removed or a third cousin four times removed. But that is only speculation. I also think she's Olaf's sister, but that doesn't necessarily mean that Mr. Baudelaire wouldn't call her a cousin. Perhaps he preferred to describe her as that because it's shorter than saying all that "third cousin four times removed or fourth cousin three times removed" stuff. But this is all just speculation, as we seem to have no concrete evidence.
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Post by Mrs. Baudelaire on Dec 26, 2004 20:59:31 GMT -5
They wouldn't go to Esme first because she might not have been "closest" (distantly)
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Post by Who wants to know? on Dec 26, 2004 21:51:22 GMT -5
good piont
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Post by Goddard on Jan 30, 2005 20:49:15 GMT -5
You people must also remember that Orphans weren't 'IN' at the time. So Esme wouldn't be seen dead with them. That is probly why it took so long for the orphans to get there.
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Post by A. the Returned on Jan 31, 2005 5:04:55 GMT -5
Did it strike anyone else as strange that in the movie there is that eye that burns things. It reminded me instantly of the conversions and refractions of light. Also in the Xbox game there is a picture on the wall of someone burning ants with a magnifying glass.
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Post by Dante on Jan 31, 2005 14:29:07 GMT -5
Did it strike anyone else as strange that in the movie there is that eye that burns things. It reminded me instantly of the conversions and refractions of light. Also in the Xbox game there is a picture on the wall of someone burning ants with a magnifying glass. Yeah, but those are the movie and the game, which are not and will never be canon.
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Post by Antenora on Feb 7, 2005 15:36:28 GMT -5
The way I see it, the movie is its own "canon", a separate fictional world from the books.
Anyway, I once had this wacky theory that the ant-burning cousin was the volatile Gregor Anwhistle, but then I remembered that the cousin was female. The woman with hair but no beard is a possibility, whether or not she's actually Olaf's sister(as I suspect she is). If she is his sister, we can assume that "cousin" is simply shorthand for "n-th cousin n times removed","n" being three or four.
(Edit, much delayed: Gregor Anwhistle. Not Ike. Gregor)
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Post by Zeller on Feb 7, 2005 22:49:08 GMT -5
Didn't Handler write the script for the movie though? I was thinking of it as an alternative telling of events. There wasn't anything in there that directly contradicted with the main storyline. It could be seen as a new way to get evidence. You know, kind of like LSUA was a file of pictures and transcipts for us to decipher and fit into the storyline? This could be like that too.
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Post by Ennui on Feb 8, 2005 9:28:05 GMT -5
Handler wrote the first draft of the script, but was sacked. None of his version remains. What you've seen is completely dreamed up by someone else, effectively a very heavily financed fanfic.
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Post by Dante on Feb 8, 2005 11:14:56 GMT -5
Handler wrote the first draft of the script, but was sacked. None of his version remains. What you've seen is completely dreamed up by someone else, effectively a very heavily financed fanfic. I thought it was the first eight drafts of the screenplay? Although I still don't know the difference between a script and a screenplay. Either way, some of Handler's stuff would still have been somewhat dodgy, i.e. the infamous hand puppets.
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Post by SnicketFires on Feb 8, 2005 20:55:46 GMT -5
I thought it was the first eight drafts of the screenplay? Although I still don't know the difference between a script and a screenplay. Either way, some of Handler's stuff would still have been somewhat dodgy, i.e. the infamous hand puppets. But that would be what made the movie. That's what would be so horrorshow about it. The little random things that Handler would throw in would be so much more hilarious than Sunny saying "Bite me," Not that that was really funny in the first place.
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Post by PJ on Feb 9, 2005 0:55:04 GMT -5
Hmm. It would have been cooler if Handler had made it, cos he might have snuck something in at the credits or something...
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