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Post by Vacuum Pot on Sept 8, 2005 14:59:44 GMT -5
Perhaps the Baudelaires are related to Olaf through Josephine and Ike's union? They could be related by blood to Josephine, and through her marriage related to Ike and his family.
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Post by Dante on Sept 9, 2005 11:23:49 GMT -5
That would work, and would be suitably obscure. Josephine is the Baudelaires' second cousin's sister-in-law, meaning that she's the one related to the Baudelaires by marriage, so it would mean that the Baudelaires are related by blood to Ike (he'd be their second cousin's brother, presumably), and therefore Olaf would be related to Josephine.
Hopefully, I haven't completely messed up how these various terms work out. It's hard to keep track of all the crazy relations in the series.
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Post by SnicketFires on Sept 9, 2005 20:14:57 GMT -5
...so it would mean that the Baudelaires are related by blood to Ike (he'd be their second cousin's brother, presumably)... If Ike was their second cousin's brother, wouldn't that also make him their second cousin?
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Post by Dante on Sept 10, 2005 2:44:30 GMT -5
...so it would mean that the Baudelaires are related by blood to Ike (he'd be their second cousin's brother, presumably)... If Ike was their second cousin's brother, wouldn't that also make him their second cousin? Er... Yes. Sorry, I always forget how these xth cousins x times removed work. I assume that Poe was rather round-about because Ike was dead - or, as I've previously posited, I've messed up how these relations work out. Speaking of which, if I have, somebody come and correct me, aye? If I'm wrong, best I find out now.
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Post by Vacuum Pot on Sept 10, 2005 11:28:30 GMT -5
That would work, and would be suitably obscure. Josephine is the Baudelaires' second cousin's sister-in-law, meaning that she's the one related to the Baudelaires by marriage, so it would mean that the Baudelaires are related by blood to Ike (he'd be their second cousin's brother, presumably), and therefore Olaf would be related to Josephine. Hopefully, I haven't completely messed up how these various terms work out. It's hard to keep track of all the crazy relations in the series. It could always be that whoever the Baudelaires are related to (with respect to Josephine) is not Ike, but the spouse of one of her siblings. "Second cousin by marriage" is a rather ambiguous term. If Ike was their second cousin's brother, wouldn't that also make him their second cousin? Er... Yes. Sorry, I always forget how these xth cousins x times removed work. I assume that Poe was rather round-about because Ike was dead - or, as I've previously posited, I've messed up how these relations work out. Speaking of which, if I have, somebody come and correct me, aye? If I'm wrong, best I find out now. This is what part of my family tree looks like: ............................Russell & Norma ........................... /.............................\ Donna & Ronson.................John & Virginia .........................../..............................\ Shenandoah Robinson...............C. & M. ...........................................................\ ...................................................Sebastian Who C., my mother, has a first cousin, Shenandoah (Dody). The requirement for being first cousins is that they must have the same grandparents. Their shared set of grandparents, Russell & Norma, are my great grandparents. Seeing as I'm one step lower, but should still have a relation to Dody, what should the deviation from first cousin be? This is where removal comes in. Since her grandparents are my great grandparents, I am Dody's first cousin, once removed. If Russell and Norma were my great great grandparents, then we would be first cousins, twice removed. If I would continue to descend the family ladder (I.E. become more and more of a descendant), the first-cousin relation would not be broken; we would just become more and more removed. However, if she began moving down the ladder to catch up with me, we would begin to become second, third, fourth (etc.) cousins, but would become less and less removed. According to Mr. Poe's ramblings in TBB, this means either of these is true: - Olaf's great, great grandparent is the great, great, great, great, great, great grandparent of the Baudelaires.
- Olaf's great, great, great grandparent is the great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandparent of the Baudelaires.
Anyway. If none of that made sense, then try to make sense of this.
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Post by Sugary Snicket on Oct 29, 2005 9:29:18 GMT -5
*Is confused by family tree.....*
And isn't it possible that Olaf MADE IT UP? I mean, really! He could've forged the will, unable to find the old one, Burned down the mansion, told Mr. Poe some sob story about how the Baudelaire parents had given it to him, begging him to take in their children should something unfortunate ever happen to them, and bada-boom, bada-bing, TBB was born!
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eaden17
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Post by eaden17 on Jan 1, 2006 1:37:50 GMT -5
I think that olaf is related to the orphans from something VFD. Maybe Olaf was good before the books and the Baudelaire parents were good friends with Olaf. And maybe they already knew that their lives would be in danger so they pre assigned guardians for their children. Maybe VFD is considered a big metaphorical family.
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Post by dharma inititave on Jan 10, 2006 21:42:07 GMT -5
i agree with that person^
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Post by freddiethefrog on Jan 12, 2006 6:21:08 GMT -5
From what i understand of the whole *such-and-such-a-cousin,-such-and-such-a-times-removed* thingy, it is impossible for Olaf to be Mr Baudelaire's third cousin, four times removed or vice-versa. Basically, after lots of tree diagrams. (basically, i never want to see another again) it means that Olaf has to be Mr Bauds forth cousin's great, great, great grandchild which is a total screw-up of the generations. (I think!) I agree with Orphaned_Hope - Olaf made it all up. Unless I've done something wrong, which is probably what happened . As with the whole Baud-and-Ike-relation, this is my theory: We all know of course that Aunt Josephine is the Baud's second cousins sister in-law. Therefore, the Baud sibling’s second cousin would be Gregor Anwhistle - Ike's brother, and Aunt Jospehine's his sister in law. Meaning the Anwhistle's are second cousins to the Baudelaire children, and (I think) first cousins to a Baud parent. I am assuming it is on Mrs Baudelaire's side, seeing as both Ike and Mrs B can whistle with crackers in their mouth - a family characteristic. In conclusion, I think that Mrs Baud and Gregor /Ike Anwhistle are cousins and that Beatrice might indeed fit in here somewhere too. Also, Olaf being Mr Baud's fourth cousin, three times removed is a load of codswallop. Get back to me please? Geez, that was long.. .hope u can understand it
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Post by lauren on Jan 12, 2006 8:48:28 GMT -5
Here is a diagram of the family tree with Olaf as their third cousin four times removed....just for your conveniance, and because I had a lot of time on my hand (yeah I know it's cramped and difficult to read) Those poorly drawn love hearts are suppose to represent marriage, and the lines joing certain blobs together represent siblings. I didn't draw the diagram of Olaf as their fouth cousin three times removed because I am too exhausted.
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Post by Vicener on Mar 1, 2006 15:30:20 GMT -5
Well we all know from the first book that he is either their fourth cousin three times removed or their third cousin four times removed. And that he is not a Baudelaire from the movies... So could he be just an evil thief?
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Post by Brntn on Mar 4, 2006 17:03:31 GMT -5
He's either their fourth cousin three times removed or their third cousin four times removed. I really never understood that how do you "remove" someone?
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Post by I am the Assasin Chicken on May 28, 2006 11:22:58 GMT -5
isnt olaf his last name??? cause if he's a count dont they usually put the last name?
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Post by Dante on Jun 4, 2006 8:24:08 GMT -5
I think that is usual, but given that even his girlfriend calls him "Olaf," it seems highly unlikely that Olaf is anything but his first name. Although the issue of what his surname is, now that I think about it, has never had much importance attached to it in the books; it's more one of those big questions that we've created ourselves. It's the same for a lot of other characters missing forenames or surnames, so I guess there is a possibility that it honestly isn't relevant, although that wouldn't be nearly so interesting. Hm, if The Beatrice Letters does indeed contain information about Olaf's childhood, perhaps that'll clear up the matter of his surname and countship. Or not.
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Post by RemainedOnShoals on Jul 20, 2006 8:45:30 GMT -5
Hi...Can someone help me...
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