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Post by volunteer on Nov 15, 2005 8:47:08 GMT -5
I read a book called the Da Vinci Code yesterday, and in one of the chapters it shows how the word village has evoloved to become indosonicyrious(sp?) with the word villian, due to the churches' hate of villes.
i thought this was cool and i wondered if handler had picked up on this when he write ' the vile village'
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Post by Antenora on Nov 15, 2005 9:33:36 GMT -5
I think "villain" once meant "villager" or "poor farmer" and you can see how the words are similar, and how they're also related to "vile". Handler probably was aware of the related word origins; he's clever with wordplay like that.
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Post by volunteer on Nov 15, 2005 9:35:29 GMT -5
i know, thats what i said, lol
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Post by Dante on Nov 15, 2005 10:14:03 GMT -5
villain 1303, "base or low-born rustic," from Anglo-Fr. and O.Fr. villain, from M.L. villanus "farmhand," from L. villa "country house" (see villa). "The most important phases of the sense development of this word may be summed up as follows: 'inhabitant of a farm; peasant; churl, boor; clown; miser; knave, scoundrel.' Today both Fr. vilain and Eng. villain are used only in a pejorative sense." [Klein]
Meaning "character in a novel, play, etc. whose evil motives or actions help drive the plot" is from 1822. Villainous is recorded from c.1300, from O.Fr. vileneus; villainy (c.1225) is from O.Fr. vilanie. -Online Etymology Dictionary
I haven't read The Da Vinci Code, but that's interesting to know. The villagers at the Village of Fowl Devotees are certainly very villainous, compared to some of the characters we know. Burning people at the stake is a distinctly wicked deed.
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Post by SF on Nov 15, 2005 13:25:42 GMT -5
I've read The Da Vinci Code, and I listened to about 3/4 of it on CD while on my vacation last week. It's a good book, but you have to be open minded, and realize that the majority of the book is fictional.
I remember the part about villains/villages/vile but I didn't make the connection between that and the Village of Fowl Devotees. There are a lot of things in that book that correspond with ASoUE, including things such as hidden messages, a secret society, and a grotto.
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Post by Grace on Nov 19, 2005 14:02:40 GMT -5
This is kinda weird, and there are so many allusions, why not this one? Though it does seem doubtful. You may be reading too much into it.
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Post by s on Nov 20, 2005 19:37:10 GMT -5
I don't think he is saying that it's an allusion, merely an observance on Handler's choice of words.
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Post by volunteer on Nov 21, 2005 10:39:24 GMT -5
exactly, i don't think that part was fictional and was wondering if the link was intentional
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Post by Sugary Snicket on Nov 21, 2005 11:30:39 GMT -5
Clever on Handler's part!
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Post by Alfred is Present on Jan 3, 2006 18:53:20 GMT -5
Don't get me started on the Da Vinci Code. Y'know what I did in LLiterature.
From Webster's Universal Dictionary and Thesaurus (which I possess):
villain n originally, a villain was a "villein," a class of serf in feudal times who held the legal status of freemen in their dealings with everyone except their lord, to whom they owed service or ent for their land. The word villain therefore had no criminal or evil associations. The word itself is derived from the Latin villa, "a farm." Later on, probably through aristocratic feelings of superiority, villains came to be spoken of slightingly, until the word eventually came to be synonymous with "rascal" or "evildoer".
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Post by Summer Wind on Jan 13, 2006 17:10:23 GMT -5
I'm reading "The Da Vinci Code", and so much points to A.S.O.U.E, really, I think that it's enough to make an allusion to "The Da Vinci Code".
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Post by kingofvfd on Mar 23, 2008 19:20:06 GMT -5
that is not in the da vin ci code u liar! i read that not 2 long ago!and im pretty sure i dont reeeemember that!
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Post by Beatrice Snicket on Mar 30, 2008 17:29:29 GMT -5
interesting. is that a good book?
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Post by Dante on Dec 24, 2008 17:17:18 GMT -5
Daniel Handler originally claimed to have come up with the Lemony Snicket name so that he could ask right-wing organisations for information, for research, without getting his personal details on their mailing lists. He later admitted that he came up with Lemony Snicket before this, though, to write prank letters to newspapers.
This is off-topic information, however; if you have any more questions about Daniel Handler or where Lemony Snicket came from, you could start a thread in Weary Writer.
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Post by Kount Kelsey on Feb 2, 2009 18:53:50 GMT -5
i htink he named himself Lemony snicket (kits brother) so when he was writing he could inagine him in to improve the story and like he mentions himself in the story the my sister loved a fool
-(just a theory)
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