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Post by violet on Apr 28, 2009 15:33:29 GMT -5
They were ignorant and Kevin was especially whiny and conceited, but you can't entirely blame them. They just wanted acceptance.
Olivia/Madame Lulu wasn't that bad. She gave them low wages and referred to them as freaks, but she didn't insult them left and right.
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Post by Very Funky Disco on Apr 29, 2009 11:11:11 GMT -5
Well, okay, I do see your point. Still, she didn't exactly discourage the spectators from jeering at them and throwing things at them. In fact, it even seems as if she actively encouraged it.
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Post by Hermes on Apr 29, 2009 12:40:40 GMT -5
I think there's a difference betwen them. Hugo actually has what most people would consider a disability, and would have problems wherever he was. Kevin, on the other hand, has this totally weird idea that being ambidextrous makes him a freak, and that everyone will despise him for it. It seems likely, though we can't know for sure, that it was Lulu who gave him this attitude in the first place, which was pretty awful of her.
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Post by liquidladylemony on May 16, 2009 8:43:09 GMT -5
Well...No one can really tell if you're ambedexrousfldksajgklsh...(Uggh, stupid spelling) or if you're congjhdgsla-i forget...only Hugo had a reason. They're very stupid...and writing with both hands!!!! That's what really makes me mad...pyscology....no brain washing was involved. Only stupid people and smart villans.
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Post by Very Funky Disco on May 16, 2009 13:22:27 GMT -5
Well, still, I think the knowledge that people are shallow enough to hate a person for those reasons are enough to cause them to have no faith in humanity. Even if, from then on, Colette and Kevin were to hide their whatevers - the idea that their new friends might betray them, were they to ever decide to "come out of the closet" with those whatevers would be enough to make them feel distraught.
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Post by Carnivorous Carnival on May 20, 2009 16:21:46 GMT -5
They've been brainwashed, to be honest, Kevin is not a frek! he's just melodramatic, I still love him but I don't know why they joined Olaf's troupe.
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Post by Isadora on Feb 16, 2010 20:21:17 GMT -5
I think that, as was said earlier, they thought that if they joined Olaf they would be safe. I understand that they were scared, but I still think it was cowardly to betray the Baudelaires. And I think it's so dumb that Kevin is a "freak", I think being ambidextrous is pretty cool. And Colette has an awesome talent - she's not a freak! Hugo's back, however, is pretty weird .
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Post by Christmas Chief on Feb 17, 2010 7:35:19 GMT -5
Plenty of people are hunchbacked, and it's certainly not anything to put them on display for. I think the idea here was to exaggerate common, though slightly disarrayed physical appearences on stage.
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Post by Tiago James Squalor on Feb 17, 2010 9:49:06 GMT -5
Esmé clearly persuaded them and allured them into Olaf's troupe. I never really thought that any of Hugo, Colette or Kevin were evil, even when they helped Olaf with his scheme at Hotel Denouement.
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Post by hladzo on Apr 10, 2010 13:18:48 GMT -5
well.. In my opinion they really were brainwashed ( just look at Kevin, he was really umm... freaky with all of this "Ohmygawd, my hands are both equally strong!!!! Imma monster!! " stuff... and they were bewitched by Esmé too, and didn´t want to lose "normal" person who was acting like a friend to them (even in a short period of time) but I think that it was really strange that Kevin was acting like creep because of his ability, but Hugo was kinda cool even when his disability was worse a lot xD
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Post by bumblebee on Apr 21, 2010 6:34:07 GMT -5
Well, to be honest I never liked the freaks much, I would gladly swap with Collete - I'd love to be able to do what she does! But as for the matter on hand I'd say that they were basically plain stupid. Or rather, unintelligent. Even though I would gladly join Count Olaf even without persuasion, I think they have done it in a selfish act, not really thinking about it logically.
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Post by Christmas Chief on Apr 21, 2010 14:38:26 GMT -5
Even though I would gladly join Count Olaf even without persuasion... That's quite interesting. On what ground, then, would you join Olaf? If not for your own means?
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Post by bumblebee on Apr 22, 2010 0:44:35 GMT -5
Well, I could say I'm quite evil myself, don't take it in the wrong way but I love to destroy things, and make people sad etc... And also I think it would be a lot of fun. When I first read the series I was proBaudelaire, however when I read the series again I started being sick of them. I like Olaf's (quite) positive attitude towards everything he does, his cheekiness and intelligence - and if I was one of the characters I'd probably choose to stick with the Count, and not with the orphans, and not with the 'good' V.F.D. It's just my personal feelings
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Post by Tiago James Squalor on Apr 24, 2010 13:49:16 GMT -5
Well, I could say I'm quite evil myself, don't take it in the wrong way but I love to destroy things, and make people sad etc... And also I think it would be a lot of fun. When I first read the series I was proBaudelaire, however when I read the series again I started being sick of them. I like Olaf's (quite) positive attitude towards everything he does, his cheekiness and intelligence - and if I was one of the characters I'd probably choose to stick with the Count, and not with the orphans, and not with the 'good' V.F.D. It's just my personal feelings Whoa, bumblebee! I now fear you! lol Kidding though, but I too, like evil, and I love villains, and if I were chosen the possibility of being a villain as opposed to a good guy - or volunteer, ASoUE-wise - I'd probably tag along Olaf's troops just because of my Esmé-bsession! lol I WORSHIP Esmé Squalor as you may have noticed from my username and avatar and et cetera, so I'd probably help her in helping Olaf. Sorry, Baudelaires!
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Post by Very Funky Disco on May 7, 2010 11:36:39 GMT -5
I agree that it is ironic that Hugo, the one with an actual deformity, was the least evil of the three. However, I still maintain that after years of being told that you are a worthless freak - and only having those views reinforced by anyone "normal" you come across - you are likely going to embrace the first "normal" person to validate your worthiness as a human being.
I guess I just identify with them too much, because I know how it feels to be hated by so many people.
ETA: I just wanted to add that the deal with ambidexterity not really being a deformity is actually beside the issue. I think the people here who hate Kevin are coming from an "I wish I was ambidextrous" standpoint, but there is more that lies below the surface.
The reason why I sympathize with Kevin is not because of his perceived physical deformity - but, rather, because of the emotional and psychological abuse that he's received as a result of his condition.
We don't know the entirety of his past, but I'm under the impression that he's had it drilled into him that his ambidexterity somehow makes him less of a deserving human being - and, therefore, he should be denied of any love or respect.
So, the bottom line, I don't feel sorry for him because he's ambidextrous - but, rather, I feel sorry for him because some people have seen it fit to emotionally abuse him because of his ambidexterity. There is a difference, you know.
Esme was probably the first "normal" person to treat the carnival freaks with any amount of decency, in a long time. The Baudelaires don't really count - since, as far as the carnival freaks knew, the Baudelaires were fellow freaks who were also rejected by society. So, honestly, is it really any wonder that they would embrace the first non-freak they've probably come across, in a long time, to actually treat them with decency?
Anyway, I hope people understand what I'm getting at here.
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