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Post by Cassandra's Ruins on Nov 14, 2004 8:29:47 GMT -5
Okay, some I'm reading the index of the UA for the umteumpth time, and I notice, as I usually do, that when you look up "Strauss, Justice", it says "see laissez-faire philosophy". What exactly does laissez-faire have to do with Justice Strauss? I know what laissez-faire is, so could anyone please explain?
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Post by Antenora on Nov 14, 2004 8:33:23 GMT -5
Laissez-faire means "to let things be", for anyone who doesn't know. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laissez-faireVarious theorists have applied this term to a somewhat spurious group of VFDers who took neither side in the schism, and refuse to intervene in VFD matters. The Justice may be one of these VFDers, assuming she is in VFD at all. Her judge costume is in the disguise kit, but I'm not sure if that really proves anything.
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Post by Cassandra's Ruins on Nov 14, 2004 8:43:30 GMT -5
Wow, that makes a lot of sense. I'm thinking economically. Silly me...I should've known, I was just researching it.
I think the costume suggests something, but it probably is just a red herring.
BTW, thank you.
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Post by PJ on Nov 24, 2004 3:41:05 GMT -5
I think that it can't be a red herring, since we have the laissez-faire thingy as well as judge costume.... And the whole JS thingy anyways. Praps Strauss is related to a VFDer (Lulu or praps the Widdershins/Fiona family, who seem volatile-ish. Remember, we don't know Fiona's mum's last name)
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Post by Cassandra's Ruins on Nov 24, 2004 8:06:28 GMT -5
There is that, but I don't know. Perhaps you are right. I'm willing to see other views. Yes, there has always been that little thought in the back of my head...
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Post by Antenora on Nov 24, 2004 8:13:32 GMT -5
Since Fiona said her family tried to avoid taking sides in the schism, I had a weird theory that Lulu/Olivia was her mother. But I'm not sure if that works out, seeing as we don't know Lulu's age and have only an estimate of Fiona's. There's also the fact that the mother might or might not have died in a manatee accident; perhaps she survived but was never seen again by her family, and ran off to join the circus, so to speak.
Olivia Widdershins, however, is a great name for a fortune-teller, or anyone else.
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Post by Dante on Nov 24, 2004 13:47:36 GMT -5
I think in TGG, Widdershins says he learned about the map coding with Olivia, right? Or am I just imagining things? That would place her in the same age range as Widdershins (and Olaf, I think). Do you suppose Olaf knew all along that Lulu was really Olivia? Yeah, that's right. Widdershins taught the coded stain secret to Olivia when they were both young, apparently. And maybe Olaf knew that she was Olivia, but didn't care because he believed that she could actually tell fortunes, and accepted that somebody like that could dress and speak however they like. However, since he didn't recognise the Baudelaires at Caligari Carnival, he might not have had a clue.
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Post by Antenora on Nov 24, 2004 14:30:57 GMT -5
I think in TGG, Widdershins says he learned about the map coding with Olivia, right? Or am I just imagining things? That would place her in the same age range as Widdershins (and Olaf, I think). Do you suppose Olaf knew all along that Lulu was really Olivia? EDIT: Tocuna there is a famous witch by the name of Fiona, right? I remember when looking up Fiona Widdershins some pagan stuff popped up. Yes, I believe her name is Fiona Horne. Kobolos might know more about her. Thanks for looking up the coded map thing, FFWF. I'll see if I can find a specific quote when I get home. An Edit Much Delayed: I'm home, and I have a quote. "My stepfather taught[the stain code]to Madame Lulu", Fiona explained,"a long time ago, when they were both young" (page 53) This indicates that there is a connection between the Widdershinses and Madame Lulu, but not necessarily that they are related, by marriage or otherwise.
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Post by BMatt on Nov 27, 2004 7:44:35 GMT -5
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Post by Luigi on Nov 27, 2004 12:01:36 GMT -5
about JUstice Strauss--She HAS to be a real judge or else the marriage in book 1 wouldn't've worked...
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Post by PJ on Nov 27, 2004 20:21:13 GMT -5
Well, if everyone THOUGHT she was a real judge, it might have worked. Remember, Jaques wrote several articles, but he's hardly a journalist. So meh. You still have a point though
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Post by Dante on Nov 28, 2004 2:26:07 GMT -5
Well, if everyone THOUGHT she was a real judge, it might have worked. Remember, Jaques wrote several articles, but he's hardly a journalist. So meh. You still have a point though No, legally, she'd have to have been a real judge. And there's no reason why she shouldn't be.
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Post by Antenora on Nov 28, 2004 8:27:20 GMT -5
I agree that she had to be a real judge. And since her outfit is a standard judge uniform, VFD would base their judge disguise on it. However, could she be a real judge as well as a VFDer?
Thanks for the link, Kobo. That book cover(I assume you made it yourself?) is hilarious.
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Post by Cassandra's Ruins on Nov 28, 2004 8:28:14 GMT -5
Yeah, that's waht I think. It seems like I'm doublespeaking, but listen:
I think she's a real judge, but the robes and wahtnot in relation to VFD is a red herring. Yeah.
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Post by Dante on Nov 28, 2004 11:20:54 GMT -5
However, could she be a real judge as well as a VFDer? Certainly. I see no reason why not. As they grow older, the Volunteers would settle down from the more life-complicating tasks of the organisation and assume real jobs. The Baudelaire parents must have done it, why not Justice Strauss? Or Dr. Montgomery? Or Gregor Anwhistle?
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