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Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on Nov 27, 2007 20:45:45 GMT -5
That's what the modify button is for. Now back to who the real hero is. Someone could say Sauron's the real hero because without him there'd be no story...
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Post by scottifer on Nov 27, 2007 22:02:56 GMT -5
cept sauron isn't a hero.
He's a hero to evil technically. w/e.
I guess you could...but it may confuse some people.... maybe I should make a thread about who's the evilest villian in the LOTR world...and the older middle earth stories/histories
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Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on Nov 30, 2007 21:59:52 GMT -5
It'd be Morgoth. No contest.
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Post by scottifer on Dec 4, 2007 18:41:02 GMT -5
some people don't have any idea about morgoth so...they would vote for diff peeps
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Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on Dec 7, 2007 21:06:02 GMT -5
Yes, I still think all hardcore LOTR fans should read The Silmarillion.
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Post by scottifer on Jan 2, 2008 11:22:54 GMT -5
That sounded so Dorky! : D
But indeed they should. :l
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Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on Jan 2, 2008 22:35:26 GMT -5
Well you can't really understand the whole thing without it, plus LOTR makes constant references to stuff in The Silmarillion.
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Post by Zaid on Jan 2, 2008 22:42:07 GMT -5
I think they were all heroes. Frodo actually destroyed it, but he couldn't have done it without Gandalf, Aragorn, Sam, Merry, Pippin, Boromir, Legolas, Gimli, Elrond, Bilbo, Galadriel, Haldir, Theoden, Eomer, Arwen, Eowyn, hell, even Gollum! I think Gandalf was the most important though, he planned everything.
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Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on Jan 3, 2008 14:14:08 GMT -5
I agree with all those you stated except Haldir and Arwen.
Maybe Manwe is the hero because he sent Gandalf to Middle Earth...
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Post by Zaid on Jan 3, 2008 16:14:13 GMT -5
If Arwen didn't exist, maybe Aragorn wouldn't have been compelled to save Middle Earth? I don't know. There must have been reasons for them.
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Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on Jan 4, 2008 9:31:56 GMT -5
Ah yes, that would make sense.
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Post by magpie on Aug 6, 2008 16:02:09 GMT -5
I think Tolkein, as an intellectual, was quite consciously exploring all the classic hero types, and the ways they can fall from grace:
The wise guide - Gandalf, Galadhriel, Saruman
The warrior king - Aragorn, Dain, Denethor, Theoden
The dashing young warrior - Eomer, Boromir (one of the biggest changes in the movie is making Aragorn young and dashing. I really like the character but it's nothing like the old competent Aragorn in the books)
The cultured warrior - Aragorn, Faramir
The champion of his people - Legolas, Gimli
The woman who transcends her female role - Eowyn, Galadhriel
The woman who is a beautiful inspiration - Arwen (yawn)
The ordinary guy who rises to the challenge - hobbits
They are absolutely all heroes. I think that Tolkein would say that to try to pick just one is missing the point.
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