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Post by lampy on Sept 13, 2005 16:25:29 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300][shadow=blue,left,300]the LOTR was christain based. do you guys see it to? the books are christain books I think thats really cool![/shadow][/glow]
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Post by Juan Roberto Montoya De Toledo on Sept 15, 2005 5:38:31 GMT -5
No, I don't. In what way are they 'Christian based'?
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Post by PJ on Sept 15, 2005 5:46:00 GMT -5
No, I don't. In what way are they 'Christian based'? Pff. The ring? That represents witchcraft, so it has to be burnt. Gandalf is like Jesus, only not. And the King is the pope. Oh, and elves are angels. How can you not see it?
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Post by Page Turner on Sept 15, 2005 9:23:38 GMT -5
Yeah, I'd say that they are Christian based. But Narnia was WAY more obvious. I mean, Narnia is like the most allegoric book I've EVER read other than Pilgrim's Progress! ;DBut there's nothing wrong with that, right? ;D
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Post by Juan Roberto Montoya De Toledo on Sept 15, 2005 10:04:38 GMT -5
No, I don't. In what way are they 'Christian based'? Pff. The ring? That represents witchcraft, so it has to be burnt. Gandalf is like Jesus, only not. And the King is the pope. Oh, and elves are angels. How can you not see it? I see what she means now.
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Post by lampy on Sept 15, 2005 12:50:28 GMT -5
No, I don't. In what way are they 'Christian based'? Pff. The ring? That represents witchcraft, so it has to be burnt. Gandalf is like Jesus, only not. And the King is the pope. Oh, and elves are angels. How can you not see it? [glow=red,2,300][shadow=blue,left,300]mostly but theres more to it, you see the ring symbolizes sin and must be destroyed. and remember in the second movie when Gandalf fell with the demon thingy. will thats what Jesus did he went to hell and fought with demonds for three days before returning. then the last one the Return Of The King thats like when Jesus is gonna come to the earth. [/shadow][/glow]
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Post by Ennui on Sept 15, 2005 13:28:13 GMT -5
Yeah, sister, and we're waiting for the return of the REAL king. Praise the Lord!
Of course, Aragorn is Jesus and Arwen is Mary Magdalen. It's obvious, fellow Christians...
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Post by lampy on Sept 15, 2005 14:32:30 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300][shadow=blue,left,300]I am savoring this moment forever. some one agrees with me ;D[/shadow][/glow]
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Post by Celinra on Sept 15, 2005 14:57:18 GMT -5
Um... yeah, it's not that blatant. Tolkien wanted a story with a Christian subtext, without beating it over our head that it's there. So there aren't really obvious things like "the ring is sin" type things... it's more what the characters do that makes it Christian based.
For example, Frodo is told to have compassion for Gollem. He does this, though not sure why, or if he really should. But, because of his act of kindness, Gollem lives, and because of that, they're able to destroy the ring.
So, really, it's more in the lessons than in the characters or symbolism or anything like that. Most of the other things mentioned, are overanalyzing the book waaaaay too much.
The same thing happened with Narnia, actually: C. S. Lewis once said that people were finding more alleged connections to the Bible in his stories than were actually there... there were a few things, yes, but on the whole they were meant just to be stories.
On a side note, is all the sarcasm in this thread really necessary?
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Post by Ennui on Sept 15, 2005 15:18:47 GMT -5
Sorry Celinra. I'll play nice now. Now I'd better skip off and pray to Ohrmzd to keep me on the straight and narrow...
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Post by Akbar Le Grey on Sept 16, 2005 10:01:05 GMT -5
Celinra, I'm sorry, but you can't blame them. Who could resist? I'm only sorry I didn't get here earlier. But then, it's all part of the Divine Plan.
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Post by Celinra on Sept 16, 2005 12:20:56 GMT -5
Celinra, I'm sorry, but you can't blame them. Who could resist? I'm only sorry I didn't get here earlier. But then, it's all part of the Divine Plan. I still think it was rather rude and uncalled for. I mean, the post is a valid point about the author's intentions when writing the books (if a bit exaggerated). I also find it offensive that as soon as Christianity is mentioned, everyone swarms around and starts making fun of it. I try to be respectful of all your religions, even though I don't agree with them, is it too much to ask that you be respectful of mine?
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Post by lampy on Sept 16, 2005 12:38:16 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300][shadow=blue,left,300]I was being serious [/shadow][/glow]
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Post by Celinra on Sept 16, 2005 13:09:35 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300][shadow=blue,left,300]I was being serious [/shadow][/glow] ...I know you were (hence why I said that your post was a valid point about the author's intentions). I was referring to the others who were sarcastic in response to you.
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Post by PJ on Sept 18, 2005 7:18:06 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300][shadow=blue,left,300]I am savoring this moment forever. some one agrees with me ;D[/shadow][/glow] HAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAA. Sorry, Celinra, had to be done. I also find it offensive that as soon as Christianity is mentioned, everyone swarms around and starts making fun of it. I try to be respectful of all your religions, even though I don't agree with them, is it too much to ask that you be respectful of mine? I'm not making fun of christianity, I'm making fun of Nina for trying to find traces of religion were there is little or none. I mean, honestly. If you make a parralel to the ring, and sin, I might as well make a parable to any evil creature that ever existed and sin. You can't just destroy sin. It's not possible. Well, not unless you're god, or something. And a lot of people would condemn you for connecting a wizard to Jesus.
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