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Sept 3, 2011 3:25:07 GMT -5
Post by Dante on Sept 3, 2011 3:25:07 GMT -5
Well, he's a lot like most gothic aristocratic villains - a lustful interest in adolescents combined with various other villainous pursuits. It's the sexual aspect that people tend to find particularly uncomfortable.
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Sept 4, 2011 0:06:25 GMT -5
Post by colette on Sept 4, 2011 0:06:25 GMT -5
Well, he's a lot like most gothic aristocratic villains - a lustful interest in adolescents combined with various other villainous pursuits. There is nothing aristocratic in Olaf I guess.
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Sept 4, 2011 5:13:34 GMT -5
Post by Dante on Sept 4, 2011 5:13:34 GMT -5
Apart from his title, I suppose? I should read some sensation novels, as Olaf is probably influenced by that era - decadent but non-medieval aristocrats.
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Sept 5, 2011 13:23:19 GMT -5
Post by soufflé on Sept 5, 2011 13:23:19 GMT -5
One particularly striking passage is where the Hook Handed Man says 'It's all right, boss, I know she's yours'. Where was that in the book?
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Sept 5, 2011 13:56:55 GMT -5
Post by Christmas Chief on Sept 5, 2011 13:56:55 GMT -5
One particularly striking passage is where the Hook Handed Man says 'It's all right, boss, I know she's yours'. Where was that in the book? TBB, page 126, the hook-handed man responds to Olaf via walkie-talkie: "Yes, boss, of course I understand she's yours."
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Sept 16, 2011 11:14:00 GMT -5
Post by colette on Sept 16, 2011 11:14:00 GMT -5
Where was that in the book? TBB, page 126, the hook-handed man responds to Olaf via walkie-talkie: "Yes, boss, of course I understand she's yours." I hate this passage! Although I always loved Fernald.
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Oct 7, 2011 16:14:32 GMT -5
Post by B. on Oct 7, 2011 16:14:32 GMT -5
Throughout the series there are numbers of disturbing references. There is also the one in TBB with the bald man and in TRR Olaf is rubbing the knife blade against her knee. I feel sorry for Violet, though I'm not a Violet-fan person myself. Then again we are kind of meant to feel sorry for everyone in the series.
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Post by Dante on Oct 8, 2011 4:12:20 GMT -5
That's an interesting emotional perspective on the series, brunch. If anyone can be called a protagonist in the series, we feel sorry for them - and a fair number of antagonists are the same. I don't think you need to be Violet's biggest fan to shudder with her when the villains loom over her.
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Post by B. on Oct 8, 2011 4:49:09 GMT -5
I don't think you need to be Violet's biggest fan to shudder with her when the villains loom over her. Not at all.
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Oct 8, 2011 16:01:35 GMT -5
Post by Christmas Chief on Oct 8, 2011 16:01:35 GMT -5
Throughout the series there are numbers of disturbing references. There is also the one in TBB with the bald man and in TRR Olaf is rubbing the knife blade against her knee. I feel sorry for Violet, though I'm not a Violet-fan person myself. Then again we are kind of meant to feel sorry for everyone in the series. There's a line in TRR that reads, "This is my knife. It is very sharp and very eager to hurt you - almost as eager as I am." I think those are the sort of threats that strike a chilling chord with most readers. Olaf's direct references to violence are almost as disturbing as his indirect ones.
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Oct 8, 2011 16:03:40 GMT -5
Post by B. on Oct 8, 2011 16:03:40 GMT -5
Throughout the series there are numbers of disturbing references. There is also the one in TBB with the bald man and in TRR Olaf is rubbing the knife blade against her knee. I feel sorry for Violet, though I'm not a Violet-fan person myself. Then again we are kind of meant to feel sorry for everyone in the series. There's a line in TRR that reads, "This is my knife. It is very sharp and very eager to hurt you - almost as eager as I am." I think those are the sort of threats that strike a chilling chord with most readers. Olaf's direct references to violence are almost as disturbing as his indirect ones. What about his relationship with Kit???
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Oct 8, 2011 16:37:20 GMT -5
Post by Christmas Chief on Oct 8, 2011 16:37:20 GMT -5
Do we get an indication Olaf ever threatened her? That's a possible cause for their break-up, I suppose. Or were you perhaps referring to a specific instance in TE, one that reveals his vulnerability, or a disturbing implication about the couple's past?
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Oct 8, 2011 17:10:39 GMT -5
Post by andressa on Oct 8, 2011 17:10:39 GMT -5
I know Olaf and Kit relantionship made some fans like Olaf in the end. Not me. I love Violet, so I hate this thing of Violaf. And I also like Kit, so the brief possibility that Olaf could be a bit agressive with her when they were (?) a couple, annoys me. This idea popped in my head now : I think DH only use this indirects Olaf quote's for Violet, trying to make the book more attractive to adult public.
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Oct 8, 2011 17:44:19 GMT -5
Post by Christmas Chief on Oct 8, 2011 17:44:19 GMT -5
Well, it almost certainly wasn't intended for the target age group, so the idea that Handler added more mature subtext for older audiences doesn't seem unlikely. Surely, a number of explanations could be attributed to his decision.
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Post by B. on Oct 9, 2011 3:18:25 GMT -5
It's perfectly possible that he was abusive to Kit. Maybe when she told him she didn't love him anymore? (this is just me speculating of course....).
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