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Post by blakegriplingph on Oct 17, 2010 22:34:11 GMT -5
Not really; I dunno but I prefer Klaus/Isadora, just as Funky said.
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Post by Leanora Crowe on Oct 18, 2010 8:01:48 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't really like Fiona either. On the other hand, I don't really see Klaus and Isadora being together. I think Tiago Squalor's idea to pair him with an OC is cool.
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Post by colette on Jul 12, 2011 12:42:48 GMT -5
Fiona is my least favorite ASoUE character. She is betrayed Baudelaires!!! HOW COULD SHE DO IT??? She doesn't deserve of Klaus at all. I don't see Klaus and Isadora together either. I prefer Klaus/Carmelita pairing.
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Post by Dante on Jul 12, 2011 13:12:03 GMT -5
You can see Klaus/Carmelita but not Klaus/Isadora or Klaus/Fiona? That's a very unusual pairing; perhaps you should make a thread to explain what you think these two would see in each other.
In any case, I think the effect of the "betrayal" is rather palliated by the fact that a) she let the Baudelaires go, and b) the Baudelaires were planning to do exactly the same thing to her, ditch her for the sake of their family.
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Post by Hermes on Jul 12, 2011 14:19:42 GMT -5
You can see Klaus/Carmelita but not Klaus/Isadora or Klaus/Fiona? That's a very unusual pairing; perhaps you should make a thread to explain what you think these two would see in each other. I don't know why no one else seems to like Klaus/Friday. Well, not exactly. Violet says they could ditch her. Klaus objects. Violet says 'Are you sure she wouldn't desert us?' and Klaus admits that he isn't (rightly, since she does). They then shelve the discussion. They certainly haven't agreed to desert her. |
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Post by Dante on Jul 12, 2011 15:41:39 GMT -5
I disagree; I think the overall tone of that passage suggests that ditching her is exactly what they were going to do. Violet says to leave Fiona with her brother, Klaus asks if they should wait for her after they finish decoding, Violet says they can leave on their own, Klaus says they can't leave her, Violet says she might leave them, Klaus admits that she's right. After that conversation, it's pretty clear that, if they had managed to finish their decoding in time, they would have left; Violet doesn't even consider waiting for Fiona and Klaus has just yielded to her opinion.
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Post by Hermes on Jul 12, 2011 16:56:42 GMT -5
I disagree; I think the overall tone of that passage suggests that ditching her is exactly what they were going to do. Violet says to leave Fiona with her brother, Klaus asks if they should wait for her after they finish decoding, Violet says they can leave on their own, Klaus says they can't leave her, Violet says she might leave them, Klaus admits that she's right. As she is. Clearly she is right in saying Fiona might leave them, since she does. Klaus is just admitting to the fact here, not to anything about what they should do; and it actually says they shelve the discussion, so they clearly don't think they've settled it. I agree totally that the Baudelaires are volatile. They will show that more fully in the next book. I don't hate Fiona; I understand her doing what she did. (And Friday, who is one of my favourite characters, did the same; she deserted the Baudelaires out of loyalty to her family.) But I don't think there is a simple equivalence. Fiona doesn't just desert the Baudelaires; she joins Olaf, and plans to help him destroy the last safe place. When she says 'You wouldn't desert your sister - do you want me to desert my brother?' it's not a fair comparison; deserting Sunny meant leaving her to die, while deserting Fernald just means leaving him to continue his villainous career. We are all chef's salads, but that doesn't mean there's no difference between us. |
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Post by Christmas Chief on Jul 13, 2011 10:13:09 GMT -5
I don't think the passage referred to here is enough to ascertain whether the Baudelaires would have abandoned her. On the surface of the text--that is, by taking the dialogue presented in the exchange only--there's no proof they had decided to desert Fiona. As Hermes says, they stop their discussion before reaching any real conclusion.
On the other hand, it's true the exchange does have an uneasy feel to it; it's as if the Baudelaires were ending the conversation due to the conclusion they feared they'd reach. The fact they're having this discussion in the first place--and they don't even know where they're going yet--deserves further examination. Klaus's reasoning is that they shouldn't leave Fiona behind because she wouldn't leave them behind. When Violet questions this, Klaus admits he's not sure about Fiona's character (this is probably also a bit of foreshadowing).
So, we have to take into account the Baudelaire's character: do they sacrifice loyalty (to an organization, to themselves, to a friend) for family? There's much evidence from earlier books they do (sticking to their disguises and helping burn down Caligari Carnival, for instance; this is also addressed in Fernald's "chef salad" speech). If we take the question of deserting a family member on a case-by-case basis, then the Baudelaires are probably more in the "right" than Fiona who, as Hermes mentions, does worse than just joins her villainous brother; however, if we take it as a moral dilemma in general--and Fernald does--then both the Baudelaires and Fiona are equally volatile, without one being more justified than the other.
I think they would have left her. I feel the decision was planted by Violet and Klaus's conversation, then affirmed by their actions earlier on in the series, even if there isn't enough evidence in the conversation itself.
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Post by Hermes on Jul 13, 2011 10:20:55 GMT -5
All that makes sense. One might add that a bit later, they have a conversation with Sunny, in which it looks as if V and K are still planning on taking Fiona (and Fernald) with them, while Sunny seems to be warning them against it. There are a couple of places where it looks as if Sunny is the most villainous of the three, and this may be a foretaste of it.
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Post by colette on Jul 17, 2011 5:55:15 GMT -5
You can see Klaus/Carmelita but not Klaus/Isadora or Klaus/Fiona? That's a very unusual pairing; perhaps you should make a thread to explain what you think these two would see in each other. I don't know why no one else seems to like Klaus/Friday. Because this is pedophilia. Friday is a very little girl, she is only six years old, she much younger than Klaus. Certainly, Friday is very, very nice but she is not a young lady. She is only a child. A very nice but little child . Fiona: You can tell me everything you want but I still despise her.I don't want to see Klaus, whom I like, with my least favorite ASoUE character. Isadora: Sorry but I am against of any Baudelaire/Quagmire pairings. In general I don't see Baudelaires with any canon characters, except Carmelita and freaks. Carmelita: She is not an angel. She is not my favorite ASoUE character. But she is also far from my least favorite character. Why? Because she is honest. She doesn't want to seem to be better than she really is. I love when people stay themselves. I admire Carmelita for this. I think she deserves of replacing much less honest Fiona in Klaus's heart.  |
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Post by amyj999 on Aug 9, 2011 6:29:20 GMT -5
This is my answer: It depends on how you look at it.
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Post by A on Apr 7, 2012 3:49:28 GMT -5
I like the Klaus/Friday idea, since Friday seems like a good judge of character and would make a perfect volunteer. However, her age, as colette said, is very unsuitable for a thirteen year old. But I think that Klaus/ Fiona is even worse. Fiona is such a traitor, and she is way to old for Klaus, being older than Violet. Fiona makes TGG more interesting, but still her actual personality is nowhere as great as Isadora or Fion.
We all sound like a bunch of mothers trying to get a suitable partner for our children, to be honest.
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Post by Hermes on Apr 15, 2012 11:15:13 GMT -5
Obviously I'm imagining Klaus/Friday happening later in life, not while Friday is seven. And I'm not sure why Klaus/Fiona is worse - the age difference is perhaps three years there, while with Klaus/Friday it is six.
(And why is my spellchecker querying 'Fiona'? I would have thought that was a better known name than Klaus. It queries 'Olaf' as well. It's weird.)
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Post by Seymour Glass on Apr 15, 2012 22:26:40 GMT -5
I don't know why no one else seems to like Klaus/Friday. Because this is pedophilia. Friday is a very little girl, she is only six years old, she much younger than Klaus. Certainly, Friday is very, very nice but she is not a young lady. She is only a child. A very nice but little child . Fiona: You can tell me everything you want but I still despise her.I don't want to see Klaus, whom I like, with my least favorite ASoUE character. Isadora: Sorry but I am against of any Baudelaire/Quagmire pairings. In general I don't see Baudelaires with any canon characters, except Carmelita and freaks. Carmelita: She is not an angel. She is not my favorite ASoUE character. But she is also far from my least favorite character. Why? Because she is honest. She doesn't want to seem to be better than she really is. I love when people stay themselves. I admire Carmelita for this. I think she deserves of replacing much less honest Fiona in Klaus's heart. Klaus/Friday is pedophilia but Kevin/Sunny isn't? |
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Post by Leanora Crowe on Apr 16, 2012 16:51:03 GMT -5
lol, Kevin/Sunny is the funniest pairing I have heard in awhile.
I think Klaus/Friday is the cutest!!
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