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Post by Invisible on Mar 5, 2011 11:22:00 GMT -5
Yeah, Andrew is his brother. He died when he was six and when Jerome was three. (That's one of the details I forgot.)
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Post by Invisible on Mar 5, 2011 18:47:41 GMT -5
My AU timeline. I cut the first half out, since it's essentially exactly the same. I also added in the bits that I'd forgotten.
(AU timeline)
1918: Lemony beats up Olaf and is transferred to Prufrock Prep. (Then Military School.) November 28th, Joshua Snicket is born. Olaf and Kit break up. Lemony & R meet. 1919: Anastasia Wilde is born. 1920: Joel Fisher is born. 1921: Angelina Uttamatomakkin is born. Kit & Dewey meet. 1924: Violet Baudelaire is born. 1925: Isadora, Duncan & Quigley Quagmire are born. 1926: Klaus Baudelaire is born. 1928: Carmelita Spats is born. 1929: Emily Uttamatomakkin is born. 1933: Lemony & R become engaged. 1937: Sunny Baudelaire is born. 1938: Olaf is caught and sent to prison. Monty & Josephine meet. Herman Hurricane occurs. Sir breaks up with his wife and is in relationship with Charles. 1939: Kit & Dewey marry. July, Avril Denouement* is born. June 30th, Dakota & Cody Montgomery are born. December 26th, Stephin Squalor is born. 1940: Lemony marries R. Josh meets Harriet “Harry” Brown. 1941: Chanel & Coco Squalor are born. 1942: Amy Lee Denouement is born. Josh and Harry marry. 1943: Jacqueline Squalor is born. 1944: Gerald (unknown surname) is born. 1945: Isabella Snicket is born. (Josh’s daughter) 1948: Gerald’s parents are killed. Sir and Charles adopt him. Daniel Snicket is born. (Lemony’s son.) 1950: Chas Snicket dies. 1952: Sir dies. 1955: Evadne Snicket dies. 1961: Cody becomes a herpetologist. Monty dies. 1965: Dakota meets Louisa March. 1970: Louisa & Dakota marry. 1972: Cody travels to Cambodia. 1974: Cody adopts six month old Veasna from Cambodia. Also discovers the Monty Montgomery snake. 1975: Cody meets Gary Fields. 1976: Cody and Gary marry. 1978: Alexander Fields is born. 1987: Josephine dies.
*Avril Denouement is Beatrice Baudelaire II in the original timeline.
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Post by Very Funky Disco on Mar 5, 2011 19:36:15 GMT -5
It looks like the Baudelaires are luckier in the alternate universe, which is good. I guess it also means that they'll pretty much be out of the picture, and probably never meet the Quagmires. It looks like a lot of events occur during the 1970s, which is very cool.
So, does WWII not take place in that universe?
Also, I hope you don't mind me asking - but I am curious about why you decided not to have Quigley and Violet end up together.
I guess Joshua Snicket is what creates the point-of-divergence in this universe - along with Lemony meeting R, instead of Beatrice.
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Post by Very Funky Disco on Mar 5, 2011 21:08:46 GMT -5
A comparison of everyone's timelines, and when the events of ASOUE (including Chapter 14 of The End) took place:
LSWannaBe: 1938-1940 May: 1952-1953 (I think) Freebird: 1974-1976 Me: 1981-1983 Hermes: 1995-1997 Emma Squalor: 1999-2000 (I think. Also they apparently start in the same year as Sunny is born.) Colette: 2007-2009 (I calculated from her Violet interview in my topic, even though the books were all written before then.)
I know Violet Marie's also takes place close to the present time.
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Post by Invisible on Mar 6, 2011 6:43:00 GMT -5
It looks like the Baudelaires are luckier in the alternate universe, which is good. I guess it also means that they'll pretty much be out of the picture, and probably never meet the Quagmires. It looks like a lot of events occur during the 1970s, which is very cool. So, does WWII not take place in that universe? Also, I hope you don't mind me asking - but I am curious about why you decided not to have Quigley and Violet end up together. I guess Joshua Snicket is what creates the point-of-divergence in this universe - along with Lemony meeting R, instead of Beatrice. About WWII: I have no idea. I haven't decided. About Quigley/Violet: Again, I don't know. I've always been a bigger Duncan/Violet fan to be honest. About Josh: Exactly. I thought if I'm keeping the Bertrand and Beatrice alive, why not Josh?
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Post by Very Funky Disco on Mar 6, 2011 10:48:24 GMT -5
I think it would be interesting if you ever did the story where Violet, Klaus, and Sunny meet their counterparts from your other universe. I bet they would be so jealous of their counterpart. Although, it would probably be even more interesting for Beatrice II and Avril to meet.
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Post by Invisible on Mar 6, 2011 10:54:53 GMT -5
That would be very interesting indeed. Maybe if they did a Prince and the Pauper thing and swap lives for a day?
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Post by Emma “Emmz” Squalor on Mar 7, 2011 11:10:07 GMT -5
beth: I really like your AU timeline. I also agree with what Quags mentioned about the Baudelaires being much more fortunate, even if it does mean they never meet the Quagmires. The names you chose for Beatrice's AU self and your OCs are great; I especially like Coco and Chanel Squalor. Hehe. ;D Would they be Esme's daughters, or Jeromes? @quags: Yes, you got the years in my timeline correct.
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Post by Invisible on Mar 7, 2011 11:16:46 GMT -5
beth: I really like your AU timeline. I also agree with what Quags mentioned about the Baudelaires being much more fortunate, even if it does mean they never meet the Quagmires. The names you chose for Beatrice's AU self and your OCs are great; I especially like Coco and Chanel Squalor. Hehe. ;D Would they be Esme's daughters, or Jeromes? Both ;D In this timeline, they didn't divorce. Naww.
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Post by Emma “Emmz” Squalor on Mar 7, 2011 12:08:37 GMT -5
Yay! You cannot IMAGINE how ecstatic I am to hear that! Or perhaps you can. LOL.
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Post by Seymour Glass on Mar 9, 2011 14:01:08 GMT -5
I have considered moving my timeline back to the 60s, but then I would have to reorganize everything.
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Post by Very Funky Disco on Mar 9, 2011 14:04:30 GMT -5
Well, so far, you're the only one who sets the series in the '70s - that I know of, anyway. I would have the same problem, if I was set mine back in the '70s.
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Post by Very Funky Disco on Mar 10, 2011 18:21:58 GMT -5
Aside from the Opening Up Universe - which I share with Emma Squalor - I'm probably not going to come up with any AUs for ASOUE - since I already have plenty of AUs for my other fandom, Back to the Future.
I have a couple of AU ideas, though. First, what would happen in Klaus Baudelaire did call out to the cab driver - upon realizing that Stephano was Count Olaf? And second, what would happen in the Baudelaires did come with the cab driver in The Penultimate Peril? In both cases, I think the cab driver was Lemony Snicket.
Okay, the Opening Up Universe timeline (I'll need Emma Squalor's help with that).
1932: Emmett Brown, age twelve, is recruited to join the VFD. He was selected based on his outstanding intelligence. (Will be the same in my other universe).
1944: Due to a mix-up with another Lorraine who was born on the same day, Lorraine Baines is recruited to join the VFD at the age of six. (Matches that of Mrs. Quagmire in my other universe).
1947: George McFly, nine years old, is recruited to join the VFD. Perhaps, Dr. Emmett Brown (his third grade teacher) was responsible for his recruitment.
1968, June 20: Twins Arthur and Martin McFly are born.
1985, October 17: Artie and Marty McFly meet Jerome Squalor - who moved to Hill Valley with his family.
1985: October 18 (I think): Artie, Marty, and Jerome meet Esme Salinger.
We have to think of what happens in the future. Knowing Emma, she still would like Jerome and Esme to get together - but maybe Esme won't switch to the dark side. Also, would anything in the events of the Baudelaire children change.
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Post by Emma “Emmz” Squalor on Mar 12, 2011 9:36:00 GMT -5
These are some excellent ideas, Quags! I am particularly interested in where the situation concerning the cab driver in TPP would lead to (yes; I, too, believe that he was none other than Lemony Snicket). The ideas you have for our Opening Up universe are very imaginative and well thought out. How funny - and confusing, I’m sure - it must have been for Lorraine being enlisted into V.F.D. when she was only six! I think I may have already mentioned this, but it is both fascinating and canonical how Doc was George’s third grade teacher. Doc’s friendship with Marty had to have originated somewhere, after all, and this is the perfect way to explain it. October 18th is as good a month as any to have Marty and Artie meet Jerome and Esme. I agree that she would likely end up not crossing over to the “dark side” of V.F.D., were it for the positive influences of Jerome and the twins. In my ficverse, Esme is literally brainwashed by Olaf and made to believe everything he does (even the very worst) is for the greater good. He is both verbally and physically abusive toward her, and so most of what she does is a reaction to her fear. That, and the fact that she loves him, despite all of the mental and physical anguish he deals her. I think things in the lives of the Baudelaire children would be different from that of the canon, yes. For example, their parents, as well as Mr. and Mrs. Quagmire, could survive. Since Olaf, in my ficverse, forced Esme to start the fires at the Quagmire mansion, I’m toying with the idea of him enlisting the help of another accomplice who botches mission. For the Baudelaires, perhaps Beatrice and Bertrand could be attending an event on the day of the fire? Because Esme had already emancipated herself from Olaf’s control, and because of his frustration with his associate’s former failure, it’s quite possible he would carry out the plan himself, overlooking the fact that the Baudelaires weren’t going to be home.
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Post by Very Funky Disco on Mar 12, 2011 10:01:25 GMT -5
Those are some good ideas. We could maybe write some stories are those events.
Now, I'm trying to remember where in the role play we were. I think Jerome and the twins were going to pay Esme a visit, and then Doc's time travel experiment. And then both Jerome and Marty have a mission to accomplish. Jerome is supposed to gain the courage to give his oral report - and Marty is leery about performing Over the Hills and Far Away, since the song makes him cry.
BTW, do you have any ideas with regard to Doc's time travel experiment? Like, should we first have them go through time - maybe a trip to the future, which I recall we suggested - or should we have Marty and Jerome accomplish their missions, first?
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