indyrams
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Post by indyrams on Dec 12, 2012 13:28:59 GMT -5
Being as it was just said that she was pushed into the water. Though it is somewhat implied she was eaten by the leeches. I could believe that in a body of water as big as Lake Lachrymose, the Great Unknown could have been able to get in there and got her. Just a theory. Maybe a secret under water passage way?
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Post by Christmas Chief on Dec 12, 2012 15:44:56 GMT -5
Josephine's death was left somewhat ambiguous, such that I can see why this theory might be feasible. It depends on whether you believe the Great Unknown is capable of such mobility, and whether there is anything in TGG that might point towards her presence on board.
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Q.R.V.
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Post by Q.R.V. on Dec 12, 2012 18:30:55 GMT -5
Captain Widdershins was able to navigate the Queequeg in and out of Lake Lachrymose (both when patrolling the lake and when trying to rescue Josephine's library), so it seems reasonable that the Great Unknown could make the trip if it felt so inclined.
If Josephine was with the Great Unknown, then a case could be made for her to be the swimming woman in the Grim Grotto. The supposedly-dead Josephine turning up with a story about the GU would be enough for the captain to abandon the Queequeg. However, this would require more initiative than Josephine showed in the Wide Window, particularly if she is also taken as the swimming woman in the Penultimate Peril.
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Post by Christmas Chief on Dec 12, 2012 18:55:08 GMT -5
If Josephine was with the Great Unknown, then a case could be made for her to be the swimming woman in the Grim Grotto. The supposedly-dead Josephine turning up with a story about the GU would be enough for the captain to abandon the Queequeg. However, this would require more initiative than Josephine showed in the Wide Window, particularly if she is also taken as the swimming woman in the Penultimate Peril. Indeed, I think incentive is the biggest issue with this theory. Why would a woman frightened of telephones and realtors risk such a venture? It's true she takes a similar chance by hiding out in Curdled Cave, but purely for her own self-interests; the swimming woman gives the impression of having a higher purpose.
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Post by Lucas on Dec 13, 2012 0:47:24 GMT -5
particularly if she is also taken as the swimming woman in the Penultimate Peril. I always thought the 'swimming woman' in TPP as the Dutchess of Winnipeg and that she was diveing down to get the sugsr bowl from in the pond behind the hotel while Lemony waited in the taxi.
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Post by Tryina Denouement on Dec 13, 2012 1:09:54 GMT -5
particularly if she is also taken as the swimming woman in the Penultimate Peril. I always thought the 'swimming woman' in TPP as the Dutchess of Winnipeg and that she was diveing down to get the sugsr bowl from in the pond behind the hotel while Lemony waited in the taxi. I always thought that was R!
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Post by Christmas Chief on Dec 13, 2012 6:16:14 GMT -5
R is another strong contender; there's a bit of evidence for this in the UA and possibly TPP as well.
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Post by Hermes on Dec 13, 2012 9:15:11 GMT -5
Another possibility is that it's Mrs Widdershins: her arrival might well have given the captain enough of a shock to make him leave his post.
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Post by Dante on Dec 14, 2012 12:19:54 GMT -5
To return to the essential question of the thread, though, I'd say that it's kind of a "why not?" sort of question. Certainly the Great Unknown could have taken Aunt Josephine, and if you read it as a metaphor for death, then it definitely did. If you want to look at it in a more practical sense than was probably intended, the fact that the Queequeg was able to access Lake Lachrymose is not necessarily indicative; the Carmelita is clearly considerably larger than the Queequeg, and the Great Unknown, or the question mark, is described as being larger still. Accessing Lake Lachrymose for such a vessel may not necessarily have been easy.
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Post by Kit's tits kick ticks on Dec 14, 2012 14:28:02 GMT -5
If I see the Great Unknown as a metaphor I don't see it as a metaphor for death, but as a metaphor to exactly what happened to Josephine: Nobody knows if she's dead or alive. So yes, it could have gotten her.
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Post by Charlie on Dec 14, 2012 18:58:29 GMT -5
I think that this discussion is something that Handler intended when he wrote up the GU. I agree whole-heartedly with this idea. It'd make a good fic
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Post by zombiesinthesnow on Dec 22, 2012 16:11:57 GMT -5
Actually, at the end of TWW, Lemony mentions that Aunt Josephine's body was found at the time when the orphans were at Prufrock. It washed ashore, just like a normal dead body would. However, it would be very interesting if that were the case and Olaf had it set out that way - or knew of a secret passageway in the lake. But Olaf is afraid of the Great Unknown, and they would have no purpose with Aunt Josephine anyways. Olaf's only reasoning for pushing her in is that she was a witness to his disguise. Things didn't get too complicated here - he was simply after the fortune.
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Post by Dante on Dec 22, 2012 16:52:46 GMT -5
Actually, TWW doesn't state that her body was found, but that her life jackets were found.
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Post by Tryina Denouement on Dec 23, 2012 3:03:10 GMT -5
Actually, TWW doesn't state that her body was found, but that her life jackets were found. Good correction!
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Post by zombiesinthesnow on Dec 23, 2012 17:25:54 GMT -5
Actually, TWW doesn't state that her body was found, but that her life jackets were found. Thanks for correcting me! You are right. In this case, that choice of words is interesting; because wouldn't it be more common to just say that the body was found? Unless of course, the leeches completely devoured her.
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