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Post by gliquey on Aug 13, 2014 16:29:48 GMT -5
I don't doubt that he never even considered the importance of Sunny's first steps as an important moment of character development when he was writing TBB. He would also later express regret for the line in Chapter Eleven or so where Klaus looks through all of Count Olaf's papers, which put the kibosh on his original plans for TPP. The way I pictured Olaf's house, there was more to the forbidden tower bit than just the room Klaus was in. What plans were kiboshed and, if Handler had really wanted to get around it, couldn't he have? If they're letting people marrying their underage cousins, is gender really a concern? "Huh," Jerome said. "I guess climbing down elevator shafts must be in."
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Post by Dante on Aug 14, 2014 2:50:42 GMT -5
The way I pictured Olaf's house, there was more to the forbidden tower bit than just the room Klaus was in. What plans were kiboshed and, if Handler had really wanted to get around it, couldn't he have? Aye, I think he could've gotten around it if he really wanted, say with a secret drawer or something... But apparently the Baudelaires were meant to return to Olaf's house in the twelfth book, and find some information there that ended up being transferred to the arboretum in The End. Handler mentioned it in a couple of old interviews. People of the same gender can't marry in the ASoUE universe. Or at least, they couldn't at the time of LS to BB #5. Just to take your question more seriously than was intended... Yes, I think that's probably the best explanation anyone can construct. It's even convincing.
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Post by A comet crashing into Earth on Aug 14, 2014 6:53:59 GMT -5
Woah... Am I right in saying that she never walks again until the end of 7? Why the hell would Handler do that? I don't doubt that he never even considered the importance of Sunny's first steps as an important moment of character development when he was writing TBB. He would also later express regret for the line in Chapter Eleven or so where Klaus looks through all of Count Olaf's papers, which put the kibosh on his original plans for TPP. I'm curious now. Is there some source I can read about these original plans?
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Post by Dante on Aug 14, 2014 8:18:49 GMT -5
I just wrote there literally all we know about the original plans, but later on I'll dig up the original interview, if I remember - I barely have the time to write this message right now.
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Post by A comet crashing into Earth on Aug 14, 2014 11:39:20 GMT -5
I just wrote there literally all we know about the original plans, but later on I'll dig up the original interview, if I remember - I barely have the time to write this message right now. Thanks for the effort.
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Post by Dante on Aug 14, 2014 14:59:07 GMT -5
I just wrote there literally all we know about the original plans, but later on I'll dig up the original interview, if I remember - I barely have the time to write this message right now. Thanks for the effort. On further research, I think question the nineteenth should suffice. Failing that, consult the corresponding answer the nineteenth. It's an elaboration of a point mentioned in this interview.
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Post by bandit on Aug 14, 2014 16:15:19 GMT -5
In 2007 people were talking about his "upcoming" pirate novel, and it's still not out until next year!
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Post by Dante on Aug 15, 2014 1:15:39 GMT -5
You could do a timeline of the pirate novel. It's been in the works since about 1999 (when TBB came out!).
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Post by gliquey on Aug 18, 2014 6:44:42 GMT -5
Temperature
I'm not sure if there are many explicit mentions of it being "cold" or "hot" etc., and I'm not going to comb through 7-12 just to check (although I'll look out for it next time I read the series).
But, "False Spring" is something that presumably occurs in the winter - it looks like it's turning to spring, but then gets very cold again. Since the books are written in America (albeit set in an essentially locationless place), I'd assume winter is December-January-February. No mention of Christmas would be necessary, although Hanukkah occurring might have been something Snicket would have had to mention. Anyway, I'd presume it happens closer to the end of winter, when someone unfamiliar with the "False Spring" concept (maybe something known mainly to people in the hinterlands/Mortmain Mountains) could plausibly mistake it for spring. So 10, and by extension 7-12, could be set around January or February.
But in any case, in chapter 4 of TPP (5 days after they came to the Mortmain Mountains and 3 days after leaving it), people up on the roof of Hotel Denouement are sunbathing. Snicket says "the rays of the afternoon sun beat down on the entire city" and describes a situation that I would have otherwise assumed was happening in summer. The swimming pool is heated, but there's no real implication that the whole roof is being heated massively; this would of course be plausible, especially if warmth was "in", but it's not in the text. Esme also wears sunoculars, because she says she "can watch the skies without getting the sun in [her] eyes".
I've not been noticing the children's clothing much, although I recall that Violet was wearing a hospital gown in 8 and underneath the other clothes in 9/10 (despite the minor goof/slip Snicket/Handler makes at the start of 10). The uniform at Hotel Denouement would probably be the same for the staff all year round, so that can't tell us anything - although there's no mention of them shivering/sweating etc.
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Sleeping
The longest a human has ever gone without sleep is just over 11 days.
Normally, the Baudelaires get enough sleep. Before the series starts, Klaus stays up reading very late some nights, but might fall asleep (flashlight and book in his hands) if he gets too tired. Klaus and Violet lose a night's sleep each in TBB. After a week with Monty, they lose a couple of nights' sleep trying to work out what Olaf's up to. They are awake until Josephine pretends to commit suicide, and throughout the next day and night in the storm.
In TAA, tiredness is the point of Olaf's plan, but they still sleep in lessons - or at least manage to rest. They have to run for 9 nights, but it's not implausible that they were still awake by the end of it. In TEE, they lose a night climbing up and down an elevator shaft, but get enough sleep apart from that.
From the two weeks where we can account for every single day, we can get exact descriptions of their nights, and whether they can manage to stay up several consecutive nights and still remain nice and awake, solving codes and making careful observations, is dubious. From Handler's perspective, it's easy to understand: they were written over several years and when one day is split across two days, it's easy to miss the fact that they're staying up several nights in a row.
On day 1, the Baudelaires sleep normally. Then, they stay up researching rules/fixing balloons/watching for couplets the following night. The next day, they're awake around the clock breaking out of jail (using an invention which certainly has more realism issues than any of their sleep patterns). TVV ends with them running away from the village. In the Last Chance General Store at the beginning of THH, they "took turns dozing against the merchandise" [8-22], having not slept properly for at least 60 hours. That's pretty dodgy - you'd expect them to all fall asleep, even if unintentionally. "I'll just rest my eyes for a minute," Klaus said, before dozing off.
The next night, in the unfinished half of the hospital, they were "getting what sleep they could" [8-79]. The night after that, Klaus and Sunny waited for Violet. There's no mention of them sleeping (8-127/8), but the chapter ends with the "first pale rays of the morning sun", so it's possible they slept - the amount of sleep they got depending on when sunrise was, and therefore what time of year it was (leading us back to Temperature). As for Violet, well, I don't know much about anaesthetic, but it's as close to sleep as Violet is going to get.
THH ends on day 7. Their only full night's sleep was on day 1. They got some sleep on the night of 4/morning of 5, at the end of day 5 and possibly after Violet's capture on day 6, but not much. It works, but I think V/K/S should have been seizing the opportunities to sleep in THH a bit more. There's always the possibility Hector gave the children coffee, or that they fell asleep briefly in the morning of day 3, without the others (or Lemony) knowing.
(to be continued)
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Post by fangirlinthetardis on Jul 27, 2015 6:18:32 GMT -5
it was Klaus's 13th birthday
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Post by Obscure Orestes on Dec 11, 2015 13:22:52 GMT -5
i was alway curious to find the period of time the story is. somewhere i read klaus was born at 1969... i dont know..
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Post by Dante on Dec 11, 2015 16:40:01 GMT -5
I would be dubious of that highly speculative birthdate. There's really no information at all that allows us to pin down any date for any event in the series - nor will there ever be, I suspect.
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Post by Reba on Dec 11, 2015 19:04:21 GMT -5
We also know that Violet's birthday is exactly 10 days after Klaus', making Violet either 1 year and 355 days or 1 year and 354 days older than Klaus, depending on leap years. i don't understand how Violet could be almost two years older than Klaus? if their birthdays are ten days apart, turning 14 and 15, that means they're both 14 for ten days.
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Post by Dante on Dec 12, 2015 4:00:18 GMT -5
They would both be the same age for ten days if Violet was only slightly less than one year older than Klaus; instead, even during the TVV-TGG ten-day window after Klaus's birthday, Violet was a year older at fourteen to his thirteen, so she must be slightly less than two years older.
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Post by gliquey on Dec 12, 2015 10:39:23 GMT -5
i don't understand how Violet could be almost two years older than Klaus? if their birthdays are ten days apart, turning 14 and 15, that means they're both 14 for ten days. What Dante said. Klaus and Violet's birthdays are their 13th and 15th, respectively.
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