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Post by Hermes on May 28, 2016 15:26:08 GMT -5
I guess they are going with the 'One Gustav' theory - this person is talking to Jacquelyn, who is a known collaborator of Gustav Sebald, yet he is (ostensibly) drowned before TRR, which better fits Gustav the assistant.
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Post by gliquey on May 28, 2016 15:55:07 GMT -5
I guess they are going with the 'One Gustav' theory - this person is talking to Jacquelyn, who is a known collaborator of Gustav Sebald, yet he is (ostensibly) drowned before TRR, which better fits Gustav the assistant. Yes, and whatever one may think is more likely given the exact letter of ASOUE canon, I think it's much simpler for the Netflix series to follow the idea that Monty's assistant Gustav is Gustav Sebald, and a good opportunity to bring in reference to V.F.D. early on the series - which, given the "The world is quiet here" script, it looks like they're definitely doing. |
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Post by Hermes on May 28, 2016 16:01:47 GMT -5
Though they will then have to explain how Gustav managed to send a message to Monty after he was dead. (In fact, the script just about leaves open the possibility that he isn't really dead.)
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Post by Dante on May 29, 2016 15:25:17 GMT -5
The "Father" excerpt is cut off at just the right moment, and of course the character is very carefully-named. I could believe that Bertrand got something of a reprieve in order to give the somewhat abortive late-series "survivor of the fire" plotline a more substantial resolution, but it definitely implies a pretty major change to the story as we originally received it. I'm more interested in where this character is imprisoned, though, as the villainous side of the schism (or, given that we don't know the character's identity, conceivably a different force) isn't exactly established in the books to possess giant fortress-like prisons. Could it be an ordinary prison controlled by the sinister duo under the auspices of the Supreme Court? Or the grand family home of a particularly powerful member of that side of the schism, a significantly more impressive version of Olaf's own mansion and its tower room? Most intriguing. Btw, Count Omet, you mentioned "the writers know what they're doing." Last year I found an article about an event D.H. attended where he said that he was writing the scripts. Do we know if there are other writers working as well and who they are? Most shows have a staff of writers but there are a few who just use one very creative person (such as Mr. Robot). I think Handler could definitely write the show on his own, but that's not very common. Netflix is a different beast altogether though. We have at least two references, to my recollection, indicating that one Joe Tracz is also working on writing the series. |
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Post by lorelai on May 29, 2016 22:20:58 GMT -5
Oooo,such shiny exciting things that I currintly have no insight on. I'll work on that.
Actually, I think I'm a fan of Gustav just being one person, or a fan of seeing how the "there are two Gustavs" theory will be tweaked to fit this presumption.
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Post by Dante on May 30, 2016 1:59:14 GMT -5
To be honest, I'm sure there was always meant to be just the one Gustav; the presumption of two was just a rather clumsy device concocted to account for an inexplicable chronological inconsistency created by the U.A. - but not the only one by a long shot. Hopefully the Netflix series will rework events to be less impossible.
Either that, or have the two Gustavs be identical twins. Both called Gustav.
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Post by lorelai on May 30, 2016 4:43:32 GMT -5
I think tweaking the information about the coded message in Zombees in the Snow to an added scene filmed in post post-production would help; our latest JS could be behind it if Gustav does indeed die.
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Post by Violent BUN Fortuna on May 30, 2016 9:02:44 GMT -5
To be honest, I've never regarded the apparent inconsistencies in ASOUE as mistakes or annoyances (even if some of them WERE mistakes) simply because they are so in keeping with the whole convoluted and confusing tone of the series. They match up with all the conflicting things the Baudelaires learn, and only add to the mystery, so I've never found things like the two-Gustav thing to be clumsy, only intriguing. I don't mind what line Netflix chooses to go with -- be it one Gustav, two, or as uncertain as the books are about the whole matter -- but I certainly don't think that Netflix needs to resolve issues with the books or anything like that, because things like this were fine and interesting as they were.
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Post by Hermes on May 30, 2016 14:29:16 GMT -5
I think tweaking the information about the coded message in Zombees in the Snow to an added scene filmed in post post-production would help; our latest JS could be behind it if Gustav does indeed die. Oh gosh, yes, that would work, wouldn't it. Good solution! It's odd to think that without TUA we would never have heard of Gustav Sebald, the famous film director, and his code - we would know of G only as Monty's assistant. I still think the contradiction is rather blatant, not like the many temporal inconsistencies in TUA, which are only apparent if you try to work out the dates. But one can put it down to L being an unreliable narrator, I guess. |
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Post by Teleram on May 30, 2016 20:25:21 GMT -5
does anyone else think jacquelyn is jacques, only they changed the name? unless i missed something?
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Post by Dante on May 31, 2016 2:54:40 GMT -5
Changed his name and gender? That seems a bit more of a leap than switching/conflating Polly and Eleanora Poe.
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Post by crono288 on May 31, 2016 4:38:43 GMT -5
When I first read teleram's post I assumed he just meant that it may be Jacques in disguise, which is an interesting idea and could work, but also kind of takes away from the novelty of having yet another J.S. around.
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Post by Hermes on May 31, 2016 9:52:49 GMT -5
Yes, another JS makes a lot of sense: (in my fictional universe there is a Jeremy Stephenson).
TPP does suggest a fifth JS anyway - Esme knows about a JS creeping around the basement (Jerome), Hal talks to Dewey about a JS watching the skies (Strauss), Sir has clearly been corresponding with a villainous JS (Olaf posing as Julio Sham?), but Charles seems to be in touch with another noble JS - who might be Jerome or Strauss again, but it's more satisfying if it's someone else.
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Post by Dante on May 31, 2016 11:15:34 GMT -5
There's also some question in my mind as to which J.S. sent Mr. Poe to Briny Beach to intercept the Baudelaires in TGG; it's surely the same J.S. Quigley's Volunteer Factual Dispatch was copied to, but not necessarily the person he intended it would be copied to.
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Post by lorelai on Jun 1, 2016 1:40:36 GMT -5
I thought Mr. Poe's (and Quigley's too) JS was Strauss, because on page 356 she says, "You've always been just out 'of my grasp, from the moment Mr. Poe took you away from the theater in his car to the moment Kit Snicket took you through the hedges in her taxi."
This suggests, to me, Quigley meant to write to Justice Strauss and succeeded, but she arrived at the beach a little too late. However, Justice Strauss most likely has a telegram device at work rather than at home, so those lovely high court judges would've had the information, as part of her explanation for why she was heading to the hotel a bit earlier than they were for the trial (she could've even showed it to them regardless of where she received it, since to her they're her colleagues who agreed to take an active role in helping the kids she cared about). The duo probably thought it would make things a lot easier for the villains to snatch the Baudelaires before they ever got to the hotel; Mr. Poe's planning to take them to the police station and the "judges" could have very plausibly been there and wrapped Mr. Poe around their little fingers. So for their message to Mr. Poe, they signed it JS, thinking he'd see it as coming from a credible source--probably the judge, given the crimes they've been accused of.
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