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Post by Reba on Oct 2, 2017 22:09:41 GMT -5
mistaking one asian race for another (because of skin tone, or eye folds, or other common asian features) does not mean the slur used (which is specific to chinese people) now applies to all asian races.
mistaking one european race for another (because of nose shape, or kinky hair, or other common ashkenazi features) does not mean the slur used (which is specific to jewish people) now applies to all european races.
clear enough?
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Post by Teleram on Oct 2, 2017 23:01:15 GMT -5
k
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Post by Poe's Coats Host Toast on Oct 3, 2017 0:11:42 GMT -5
yeah, but a mistake in the name-caller's choice of racist slur doesn't make it void. the definition of the slur mightn't necessarily change because of it, but it's still an insult intended for the person and their race, even when they aren't actually chinese.
as such, the use of a specific slur (when simply talking about it, and especially when condemning it) shouldn't be barred from people it doesn't apply to. racism and its slurs should be able to be discussed by anybody. so ppl should stop actin da fool like teleram when he censored himself using one and didn't with the other, because he felt he was "allowed" to use one. either say both or neither, bud (and considering the mods of this forum, it's probably best to just censor both).
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Post by Teleram on Oct 3, 2017 0:59:31 GMT -5
mistaking one asian race for another (because of skin tone, or eye folds, or other common asian features) does not mean the slur used (which is specific to chinese people) now applies to all asian races. I take back my joke response from earlier: how often, ever since the slur was used for the 1st time in the entire history of the world, do you think it has been applied to an Asian person not from China? I'm really asking.
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Post by Hermes on Oct 3, 2017 5:06:54 GMT -5
Terry is right that mentioning a slur, in the course of saying how bad it is, should not be seen as objectionable. The n-word is subject to a special taboo for historical reasons. That does not extend to everything else.
I also agree that the Jewish analogy doesn't make sense. If someone accidentally applies a Jewish slur to someone who isn't Jewish, that's an individual mistake. No one is prejudiced against all Europeans because they look like Jews. If someone applies what was originally a Chinese slur to a Korean person, that is very probably because they don't think the distinction matters, being prejudiced against all East Asians, and thinking they are are more or less the same.
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Post by Reba on Oct 3, 2017 8:13:53 GMT -5
i think it's obvious that i only chose a jewish example because i wanted to say kike, kikity kike kike.
but i don't think a person would have the word chink in their lexicon if they weren't specifically racist against chinese people. we only have words like gook and charlie because of first-hand american experience with vietnamese people during the vietnam war, and the same for japs and nips and wwii, so if anything i think specific slurs show a heightened sense of distinction, though not always a heightened ability to distinguish.
anyway, i'm sure all the slurs mentioned above (not just chink) have been used against the wrong type of east asian many times. that still doesn't make every asian slur interchangeable, any more than a neutral word like "chinese" is actually considered a synonym for "asian", no matter how many times people have mistakenly applied it to other asians.
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Post by Teleram on Oct 3, 2017 12:35:08 GMT -5
Cannibal Bearess: Voice of the East Asian People
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Post by Reba on Oct 3, 2017 13:26:36 GMT -5
it’s not even a race issue, it’s just semantics.
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Post by Poe's Coats Host Toast on Oct 3, 2017 16:03:07 GMT -5
Terry is right that mentioning a slur, in the course of saying how bad it is, should not be seen as objectionable. The n-word is subject to a special taboo for historical reasons. That does not extend to everything else. I don't really see why n**ger is a "special taboo" on grounds of historical reasons. Pretty much every slur and, of course, racist language as a whole has a history of oppression, slavery, etc (f.ex. someone mentioned WWII and g*oks) Also maybe a mod could move the discussion to something like a "use of racist language" thread? I think it's an interesting enough discussion, but Quisby is right, it really kills this thread.
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Post by Teleram on Oct 3, 2017 16:40:58 GMT -5
and to think... this was all started because I had some quibbles about 667's censors
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Post by pepper on Oct 3, 2017 19:29:48 GMT -5
maybe you should think again before posting anything ever then bud
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Post by Teleram on Oct 3, 2017 19:37:10 GMT -5
nah i'm good
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Post by Hermes on Oct 4, 2017 8:30:51 GMT -5
We need a new quote from Wikipedia. I knew a very nice one about Sharbel Maklouf, but it seems to have been edited out.
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Post by Reba on Oct 5, 2017 11:00:39 GMT -5
the purpose of this thread is not to share boring wikipedia quotes that describe things you think are silly. the interest should primarily come from the actual wikipedia wording.
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Post by Reba on Oct 5, 2017 12:09:59 GMT -5
that was an entirely different type of post simply meant to own teleram.
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