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Post by A comet crashing into Earth on Apr 27, 2018 17:10:37 GMT -5
The Mortmain Mountains treat the Baudelaires not well at all
Their only hope of saving is to climb a waterfall
The reason that I tell you this is so you'll realise
The thought of watching further surely should be put on ice!
The Baudelaires are picked up by a submarine that's damp
The life aboard the Queequeg is as frightful as it's cramped
The murky Gorgon Grotto is to where the kids must dive
If you insist on watching it's quite doubtful you'll survive!
The children have to work in a hotel as secret spies
To do this they must don a rather genious disguise
Their peril just might perish like a book thrown from its shelf
But hope, you know, is fleeting, so don't have too much yourself!
Count Olaf and the Baudelaires have wound up stuck together
But soon their boat is rocked by storms and bouts of nasty weather
This story nears its ending as away is where they're cast
So end your watching now, because we've saved the worst for last!
(Just look away...)
Wasn't sure where to put this, as we don't have a 'predictions and expectations' thread for season three (and those are all things I expect to happen in season three). In the end I put it here.
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Post by ryantrimble457 on Apr 27, 2018 17:25:47 GMT -5
You could catch a glimpse of its eye Well, that would already confirm it's an animal. From just reading the book, it seems equally plausible that it's some sort of submarine. I always assumed it was an enemy submarine to be honest. I think it may LOOK like the Bombinating Beast but I never thought it was. |
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Post by Uncle Algernon on Apr 27, 2018 17:34:47 GMT -5
Well, that would already confirm it's an animal. From just reading the book, it seems equally plausible that it's some sort of submarine. I always assumed it was an enemy submarine to be honest. I think it may LOOK like the Bombinating Beast but I never thought it was. The good part of that idea is that it allows for a chance all those people survived. So thank you. |
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Post by Hermes on Apr 27, 2018 17:47:30 GMT -5
I think it could actually be presented as a Beast and yet an Unknown - a beast of unknown origin, unknown biological class, unknown regular habitat and so on. In the books its Unknownness is represented by the uncertainty whether it's an animal or a machine, so as book fans we are assuming that if that's lost it's not Unknown any more: but if you set the books to one side it doesn't have to be so.
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Post by mortinson51 on Apr 27, 2018 18:32:15 GMT -5
It pretty much confirmed it is going to be a sea creature in the show. One of the writers tweeted last year he finished writing an episode with a sea monster. I like Hermes point about that even though it is a creature it can still be unknown. What is the nature of it? Does it just attack without warning? We don't know where it comes from.
Even in ATWQ when we see TBB, Handler's descriptions are vague it's more of a black mass that moves quickly, has claws and teeth but that really doesn't confirm much.
I will be the first to admit that maybe I'm not as attach to the TGU being completely unknown just because since it's film it would be impossible to pull off. We really won't know how they do it till next year. So we are really just basing everything off of little bits of info we heard as well as our hopes and nightmares.
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Post by Mr. Dent on Apr 27, 2018 22:03:06 GMT -5
I think it would be entirely possible to portray TGU as an unknown in film- after all, we don't have to physically see it. I think it's fine enough to just show it's effects and actions without showing what it is up-front. We don't have to see the inside of the Sugar Bowl just because it's a visual medium. (Granted, the Sugar Bowl is not exactly an active agent in the story by itself, but you catch my drift.)
Additionally, I feel the question of whether or not TGU is mechanical or organic is part of the story too. We don't know whether any of the people who fell into it's clutches survived or not- because there are many questions in life we very much wish to know the answers to, but must accept that there's no knowing. If it's a sea monster, well. They were eaten. That's not especially effective on that front, imo.
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Post by Dante on Apr 28, 2018 3:43:42 GMT -5
Given that the Great Unknown in the books is almost entirely represented on a radar screen (as part of a Plato's Cave allusion, too), it seems to me it would be entirely trivial to avoid showing what it really looks like; its few non-radar appearances are similarly unfathomable, just a shadow beneath the waves or a murky shape in the distance. And I absolutely agree that the question of whether it is mechanical or organic is fundamental to the question of its unknown quality, and Lemony even foregrounds this question towards the end of TGG. It's easy to forget this after ATWQ, but time was when there was a lot of resistance to the idea of an actual sea monster appearing in the series. Furthermore, for various reasons I've looked through a lot of fanfiction in the past few years, and there are a great many which take the position that the Great Unknown is a submarine; I'm not sure I've ever seen one which interpreted it as a sea monster. "Submarine" is and has always been a popular interpretation. If you represent it on-screen as a sea monster, therefore, then you've automatically ruled out a large number of people's personal opinions and theories, perhaps even the majority pre-ATWQ, as non-canon; which is hardly a positive characteristic for something of "unknown" status.
If the Great Unknown is represented as unambiguously a sea monster, then the Netflix team have missed the point. Enormously. Because the fact is, nobody ever cared what kind of sea monster it might have been; the discussion was always "sea monster, or the countless possibilities afforded by a submarine." Added to that, if you reveal it as a sea monster then nobody will truly doubt that it's the Bombinating Beast. The moment you do that, you can't call it a question mark or an unknown any more, and you completely strip away all of its symbolic meaning. From a metaphor for all the mysteries and questions in the Baudelaires' lives, even to the mystery of death itself and the unknown question of people's fates - you go to a random sea monster which just ate everyone. Quite frankly, that would kill the series for me.
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Post by coolcat667 on Apr 28, 2018 13:52:37 GMT -5
Given that the Great Unknown in the books is almost entirely represented on a radar screen (as part of a Plato's Cave allusion, too), it seems to me it would be entirely trivial to avoid showing what it really looks like; its few non-radar appearances are similarly unfathomable, just a shadow beneath the waves or a murky shape in the distance. And I absolutely agree that the question of whether it is mechanical or organic is fundamental to the question of its unknown quality, and Lemony even foregrounds this question towards the end of TGG. It's easy to forget this after ATWQ, but time was when there was a lot of resistance to the idea of an actual sea monster appearing in the series. Furthermore, for various reasons I've looked through a lot of fanfiction in the past few years, and there are a great many which take the position that the Great Unknown is a submarine; I'm not sure I've ever seen one which interpreted it as a sea monster. "Submarine" is and has always been a popular interpretation. If you represent it on-screen as a sea monster, therefore, then you've automatically ruled out a large number of people's personal opinions and theories, perhaps even the majority pre-ATWQ, as non-canon; which is hardly a positive characteristic for something of "unknown" status. If the Great Unknown is represented as unambiguously a sea monster, then the Netflix team have missed the point. Enormously. Because the fact is, nobody ever cared what kind of sea monster it might have been; the discussion was always "sea monster, or the countless possibilities afforded by a submarine." Added to that, if you reveal it as a sea monster then nobody will truly doubt that it's the Bombinating Beast. The moment you do that, you can't call it a question mark or an unknown anymore, and you completely strip away all of its symbolic meaning. From a metaphor for all the mysteries and questions in the Baudelaires' lives, even to the mystery of death itself and the unknown question of people's fates - you go to a random sea monster which just ate everyone. Quite frankly, that would kill the series for me. I so totally agree. If they rule out the possibility of it being a submarine, that would really ruin the series. |
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Post by gamegenie on Apr 29, 2018 11:49:33 GMT -5
Yeah, we already knew that the henchmen got scrambled around - it may be that the white-faced women will be getting a lot of focus in TSS to build up to their defection. It kinda came out of nowhere in the books, and the "Fernald is getting the submarine" theory is plenty believable and addresses the fact that Olaf's offscreen timeline is a little weird in book 11. I seem to recall the Hook handed man fishing with his hooks for food on top of the mortmain mountains, and also discovering Sunny being a good cook. Shouldn't it be fitting that the other henchmen that should dead by now by the book standards be given the small role at this point? |
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Post by imlarryyourwaiter on Apr 29, 2018 13:20:28 GMT -5
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Post by Dante on Apr 29, 2018 15:18:09 GMT -5
An unexpected boon! Suddenly it starts to look that bit more plausible for this tie-in volume to be released on October 30th (though it may still end up being delayed a little, I suspect). |
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Post by gothicarchiesfan on Apr 29, 2018 20:17:44 GMT -5
I don’t know how to post an image but Patrick Breen’s comment on this post: http://instagr.am/p/BhyyNDMjt4- says they are pushing for a November season 3 release.  “Thinking” being the key word I suspect. Let’s not forget that Sara Rue’s Instagram bio said season two was coming out in January for over a month. |
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Post by gothicarchiesfan on Apr 30, 2018 10:12:01 GMT -5
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Post by Mr. Dent on Apr 30, 2018 10:33:49 GMT -5
This makes me irrationally sad.
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Post by imlarryyourwaiter on Apr 30, 2018 10:52:02 GMT -5
Will this be enough to film all of The End?
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