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Post by Liam R. Findlay on Jan 1, 2019 14:34:26 GMT -5
Here, you may discuss Netflix's episode of The End. If you haven't watched it yet, this thread could spoil it for you like a water filtration system could spoil your stomach.
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Post by Liam R. Findlay on Jan 1, 2019 15:29:22 GMT -5
I've always thought the series would look wonderful if it were more saturated, so it was a great decision to make The End more saturated. It emphasised the contrast between the murky past and the strange 'afterlife' of the island.
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montrac4
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Post by montrac4 on Jan 1, 2019 15:34:57 GMT -5
I'm crying.
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Post by Violent BUN Fortuna on Jan 1, 2019 16:09:17 GMT -5
Well, there's so much to say but for now, let this suffice: It's been about 4 hours since I finished watching it, and in that time I have done very little other than cry and fall into an emotionally exhausted slumber. What an ending. Beautiful.
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kitsnickers
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Post by kitsnickers on Jan 1, 2019 16:19:25 GMT -5
Okay first of all, I cried. The ending in the book makes me want to cry but the shows ending made me cry, the Baudelaires nearly dying made me cry, Kit’s death made me cry, and the entire episode is emotional. Except Ishmael started V.F.D. apparently?? Idk man
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Post by Old Swinburne on Jan 1, 2019 17:09:13 GMT -5
The Ishmael starting V.F.D. element I thought was odd at first, but I think it's tying it in with the snake/apple/Garden of Eden imagery, with Ishmael as a bearded Old Testament God or 'Creator'. That's the vibe I got from it, anyway.
I gasped out loud at the appearance of what might have been the Bombinating Beast figurine.
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Post by veryferociousdrama on Jan 1, 2019 17:15:37 GMT -5
TOO EMOTIONALLY BLOATED TO SPEAK.
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Post by veryfakedonkey on Jan 1, 2019 18:40:44 GMT -5
Overall an amazing episode, beautiful and sad with a satisfying conclusion. The deaths were chilling and this is a unique and special episode. I think I wish we had had those extra ten minutes now. Everything went a little too quickly for me, from the revelation of Ishmael's feet of clay and all the stuff that goes on in the island. Ishmael's weird peer pressure ways weren't shown a lot and so little was explained to a new viewer about the cordial and the sheep and decision day and Ink. I also wish we had Friday's last name.
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Post by Uncle Algernon on Jan 1, 2019 19:41:00 GMT -5
Surprisingly bright and Great-Unknown-less ending, but oh, they *nailed* Olaf's death. I think big props must come to Jim Dooley for the numerous variations of Olaf's Theme in that scene.
But I… don't know how I feel about Ishmael being the creator of V.F.D. A problem I've long had with the Netflix Series' tweaks to the canon is that for all that it adds about the ASoUE universe, it also diminishes its scope. VFD starting during Olaf and Lemony's children, I think, goes pretty strongly against any sort of authorial intent from Handler, and makes VFD seem much less grand. As, indeed, does the fact that aside from Peru in Season 1, we get the impression they're only ever really active in the City and areas somewhat close to it (trolley and all that), though there was a bit of that in the books as well.
Indeed, I'm not even sure how much certain things make *sense* if we assume such a recent date for the foundation of V.F.D. That end reveal, to name but the (literally) latest example, that V.F.D. has apparently shaped the entire city down to its general urban planning.
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Post by veryfakedonkey on Jan 1, 2019 22:27:56 GMT -5
Does anyone ever say the 'everything washes up on these shores' line? I can't remember. I do know the feet of clay is there but never mentioned. And I think dialogue from Miranda must have been cut. My final question is who is that woman from Cynthia Summer's The End pictures? Was she an unnamed islander?
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Post by Strangely on Jan 1, 2019 22:41:21 GMT -5
Indeed, I'm not even sure how much certain things make *sense* if we assume such a recent date for the foundation of V.F.D. That end reveal, to name but the (literally) latest example, that V.F.D. has apparently shaped the entire city down to its general urban planning. It could be that the city already had this eye shape and the volunteers were inspired by it when it came to designing their insignia. I personally don't read too much into it, I tend to think it's an artistic choice and likely lacks any literal significance in the story. After all, this is a world where lakes, valleys, rivers, mountains, clouds and even wood shavings manage to form the exact same eye shape (and these are supposed to be natural formations). So I wouldn't be surprised if the visual serves more as symbolism/metaphor.
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Post by ryantrimble457 on Jan 1, 2019 23:14:28 GMT -5
Indeed, I'm not even sure how much certain things make *sense* if we assume such a recent date for the foundation of V.F.D. That end reveal, to name but the (literally) latest example, that V.F.D. has apparently shaped the entire city down to its general urban planning. It could be that the city already had this eye shape and the volunteers were inspired by it when it came to designing their insignia. I personally don't read too much into it, I tend to think it's an artistic choice and likely lacks any literal significance in the story. After all, this is a world where lakes, valleys, rivers, mountains, clouds and even wood shavings manage to form the exact same eye shape (and these are supposed to be natural formations). So I wouldn't be surprised if the visual serves more as symbolism/metaphor. I also think that goes with the creators' constant mantra of designing this show from the point of view of a child. VFD is everywhere to the kids, why not have it invade the literal earth? Listen I wept openly. A lot. But you know what MOST got me? BB2 and LS RECITING THE OPENING OF "THE BAD BEGINNING." THE REFERENCING TBB RARE EDITION NOTES!!! THE OPENING UP OF THE WORLD WE LOVE! I never thought we would see a TV show until I made it one day (not sarcastic). So to see the completion of the series, with all the extra elements thrown in--it made me weep. And 20 YEARS AFTER THE FIRST BOOK CAME OUT! My god.
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Post by Esmé's meme is meh on Jan 1, 2019 23:50:53 GMT -5
Does anyone ever say the 'everything washes up on these shores' line? I can't remember. I do know the feet of clay is there but never mentioned. And I think dialogue from Miranda must have been cut. My final question is who is that woman from Cynthia Summer's The End pictures? Was she an unnamed islander? That woman is probably just a stand-in, since she's doing some color tests with the robes and whatnot.
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Post by Uncle Algernon on Jan 2, 2019 5:56:11 GMT -5
Indeed, I'm not even sure how much certain things make *sense* if we assume such a recent date for the foundation of V.F.D. That end reveal, to name but the (literally) latest example, that V.F.D. has apparently shaped the entire city down to its general urban planning. It could be that the city already had this eye shape and the volunteers were inspired by it when it came to designing their insignia. I personally don't read too much into it, I tend to think it's an artistic choice and likely lacks any literal significance in the story. After all, this is a world where lakes, valleys, rivers, mountains, clouds and even wood shavings manage to form the exact same eye shape (and these are supposed to be natural formations). So I wouldn't be surprised if the visual serves more as symbolism/metaphor. That was just an example, though. There are many others. It's sheer impossibility for VFD becoming so widespreadin that short a time, is my point. And what's more, what of older-generation Volunteers like Widdershins? Or, indeed, the Man and Woman?
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Post by lemonmeringue on Jan 2, 2019 7:11:40 GMT -5
I think The End was beautiful, except maybe for some bits regarding Ishmael. I really appreciate that he's the pricipal of Prufrock, but the starter of VFD? An important member, yes. But the starter...
But I don't think the ending was too happy. It was bittersweet, it was exhausted, it was open, and it was exactly like in the books (safe for the side-character scenes maybe) except it was a combination of the "some say they died but there's still reason enough to assume they survrived" of the book, and "the Baudelaires definitely did survive" of the Beatrice Letters, made a tiny bit less vague for the screen, as it is difficult to adapt written, pictureless (in the sense as told, rather than described) allusions to begin with, and I think it was done in a very good way, and not at all like a classic Happy Ending.
Also, I loved every scene with Little B. She was the true highlight of the episode, the season, the show.
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