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Post by lsandthebooks on Sept 22, 2019 14:25:17 GMT -5
In Book 8, there's this interesting exchange:
I'm not sure what this even means. How did the kids ever trap Olaf, at any time? And why do the villians feel victimized by the kids?
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Post by Dante on Sept 23, 2019 8:34:22 GMT -5
The Baudelaires had trapped Olaf in the sense of having (on multiple occasions) revealed his true identity and his crimes to people who would have gladly arrested him for them, were they capable of doing so. It was necessary for Olaf to flee from capture on multiple occasions prior to THH, universally because of the Baudelaires' efforts in exposing him. But you are correct in thinking that the latter half of the series sees Lemony illustrating the ways the Baudelaires felt they were becoming more like villains themselves by ending up in similar situations to those their enemies had been placed in.
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Post by Foxy on Sept 23, 2019 11:38:45 GMT -5
I don't think Snicket was sympathizing with the villains there. He was just reporting what they said.
I think what Esme said about them trapping Olaf is ludicrous, but she believes it is true. All they ever tried to do is escape from him, and maybe get him arrested, which he definitely deserved.
Perhaps the Bald Man was alluding to the fact that everyone in the hospital now thought they were bad guys, so they knew what it was like to have everyone after them, attempting to arrest them.
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Post by Optimism is my Phil-osophy on Sept 23, 2019 14:01:05 GMT -5
Although the example Isandthebooks gave is a little bad, I believe Lemony has an ideology of its own. He realized that sometimes violence is necessary to combat evil. We see this the moment he decided to kill Hangfire.
So in some ways Lemony believes that sometimes fire must be fought with fire. I believe Lemony is not the only one from VFD to think so. And I believe this Lemony ideology was behind the secret plan at Hotel D.
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Post by Foxy on Sept 24, 2019 10:56:19 GMT -5
I think, though, it is fair to say the ideology you have as a teenager, which is what Snicket was when he killed Hangfire, can change when you become an adult. But I'm not exactly sure what he believed as an adult. Snicket reported the Baudelaire case much differently than he reported his own case. He seemed to somewhat keep his personal feelings out of his writing when reporting the Baudelaires' actions.
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