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Post by Reba on Jun 8, 2020 16:04:38 GMT -5
You may not know it, but you are talking to one of the world's greatest experts in ASOUE. In fact Dante knows more about ASOUE than Daniel Handler himself. And I am not exaggerating. i think that is a slight exaggeration, actually.
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Post by Optimism is my Phil-osophy on Jun 8, 2020 16:33:24 GMT -5
If you think you're a better expert than he is, prove it.
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Post by Hermes on Jun 8, 2020 16:37:56 GMT -5
One of the greatest experts - well, if he isn't, who is? It's not as if there were a world of professional Snicket scholars out there.
Knows more than DH himself- well, at least his knowledge is more consistent, since DH is certainly given to forgetting things.
As to the general question whether DH follows 667, he certainly does some of the time at least. There was a famous incident where a line which originated here was incorporated in the Netflix series. And it isn't unknown for authors to keep in touch with their fans and seek aadvice from them - Terry Pratchett, Steven Brust, the writers of classic Doctor Who are all examples.
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Post by Reba on Jun 8, 2020 16:41:49 GMT -5
If you think you're a better expert than he is, prove it. imagine that! obviously i meant the bit about him knowing more than daniel handler.
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Post by tk on Jun 8, 2020 17:23:52 GMT -5
There was a famous incident where a line which originated here was incorporated in the Netflix series. Ooh wait, what line is that? As it happens, I'm re-watching the Netflix series at the moment! (Just finished TBB part two).
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Post by Hermes on Jun 8, 2020 17:38:12 GMT -5
'Prematurely aged by a life of villainy'. It's not spoken, it's in a document that you see during the opening titles.
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Post by Marlowe on Jun 8, 2020 19:06:41 GMT -5
One of the greatest experts - well, if he isn't, who is? It's not as if there were a world of professional Snicket scholars out there. Knows more than DH himself- well, at least his knowledge is more consistent, since DH is certainly given to forgetting things. As to the general question whether DH follows 667, he certainly does some of the time at least. There was a famous incident where a line which originated here was incorporated in the Netflix series. And it isn't unknown for authors to keep in touch with their fans and seek aadvice from them - Terry Pratchett, Steven Brust, the writers of classic Doctor Who are all examples. I think what I ultimately find so shocking about Dante's post is not only the idea that DH would follow 667 that closely, but also that HarperCollins brass would as well to the point that they would trust him with a job like maintaining such a comprehensive guide. Unless Dante is saying he heard about HC's plans for a series bible, contacted them offering to help, and got the job? What I'm getting at is that there are quite a few mysterious things to what Dante said that I hope he clarifies - or at least, to the extent that he is at liberty to clarify.
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Post by Optimism is my Phil-osophy on Jun 8, 2020 20:36:05 GMT -5
Apparently he signed a confidentiality agreement. But I have some theories about Dante and his involvement in the publishing business.
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Post by gothicarchiesfan on Jun 8, 2020 21:30:21 GMT -5
Dante probably does have the most encyclopedic knowledge of any Snicket fan I know, not just of the books but also Handler's other work and the forum itself.
:Edit: If everyone was up for it, it might be worth doing a 667 rewatch of the film and Netflix show at some point.
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Post by Christmas Chief on Jun 8, 2020 23:23:41 GMT -5
'Prematurely aged by a life of villainy'. It's not spoken, it's in a document that you see during the opening titles. Hermes neglects to mention, tk, that he was the originator of this line. Ah, I see. I was a bit puzzled, because normally a series bible is something used in multi-authored works, to ensure consistency among the writers, and it's not clear what purpose it would serve in a a series with just one author. Since you seem to have knowledge of series bibles as a genre: From the description, it seems like these things could potentially be longer than the canon itself. What is an example of when one might be referenced instead of the canon, then? Anyway, I applaud your initiative, Dante, and would also like to know your opinion on the extent to which your contributions impacted the filmed series.
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Post by Isadora Is a Door on Jun 9, 2020 2:07:01 GMT -5
Apparently he signed a confidentiality agreement. But I have some theories about Dante and his involvement in the publishing business. Jean Lucio reaches a new level as his theories now becme about actual 667ers
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Post by tk on Jun 9, 2020 2:52:38 GMT -5
Jean Lucio reaches a new level as his theories now becme about actual 667ers this is going off on a tangent but
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Post by Dante on Jun 9, 2020 4:48:27 GMT -5
I didn't intend my post to stir quite that much excitement. Some of you are over-egging the pudding a bit (particularly Jean Lucio, though this is no surprise); I wasn't the only person from 667 who worked on the bible, and more broadly, quite a few of us have had contact with people from the publishers over the years. Indeed, 667 was at one time among a couple of fansites linked on LemonySnicket.com, along with the now-defunct The Quiet World and UnfortunateEvents.com (though strictly speaking the latter was run by Egmont). At its height, and you must remember that this was a pre-social-media world, 667 was really quite a big fish when it came to ASoUE's online presence, so naturally there would be people among the publishers who were aware of it too (though as far as I can recall, Daniel Handler himself has only confessed to having "peeked" once or twice). To answer a few of the questions raised: - As I recall, at the time I was hired the bible had been completed up to maybe the first nine books or so, and so I covered much of the rest (and at least one supplementary volume, I think), along with a certain amount of general tidying-up;
- The bible was meant to be by way of an easy reference guide - so you had, for instance, sections for each character with quotation and page reference for any scattered detail among them;
- I have absolutely no idea if my work had any impact on the Netflix series at all, as this took place many years before the Netflix series (and indeed ATWQ!) existed - given the timeframe, it would have been a potential movie sequel which my contact had in mind;
- I've never spoken to Daniel Handler, though part of my recompense was to receive a few autographed books personally addressed to me (and probably the review and preview copies I received for much of ATWQ owe something to my work on the project).
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Post by B. on Jun 9, 2020 6:56:29 GMT -5
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Post by Poe's Coats Host Toast on Jun 9, 2020 15:35:58 GMT -5
- As I recall, at the time I was hired the bible had been completed up to maybe the first nine books or so, and so I covered much of the rest (and at least one supplementary volume, I think), along with a certain amount of general tidying-up. (...)
- I've never spoken to Daniel Handler, though part of my recompense was to receive a few autographed books personally addressed to me (and probably the review and preview copies I received for much of ATWQ owe something to my work on the project).
Did they not actually pay you for all your knowledge and work? Would be disappointing coming from HarperCollins, if that's the case (or was it Nickelodeon?). The ATWQ preview copies definitely make the deal sweeter, but you didn't know about that at the time. If that info is classified or something, then obv you don't have to comment.
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