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Lupin
Jun 23, 2021 5:41:24 GMT -5
Post by Hermes on Jun 23, 2021 5:41:24 GMT -5
I know some 667ers watch this show, and with its secret codes and stuff it's likely to appeal to a Snicket fan, so as the second season has recently appeared, I thought we might discuss it.
I was recently reading some actual Arsene Lupin stories, and I discovered that 'Arsene' was not in fact his original name. Can anyone guess what it was?
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yosoy
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Lupin
Jun 23, 2021 10:17:52 GMT -5
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Post by yosoy on Jun 23, 2021 10:17:52 GMT -5
If any Snicket fans enjoy this “gentleman thief” archetype in fiction, then I recommend Lawrence Block’s Bernie Rhodenbarr mystery books. They have murder, mystery, intrigue but with a generally light tone and lots of classic literary references and pastiche, so they will definitely appeal to some here.
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Lupin
Jun 24, 2021 5:38:55 GMT -5
Post by Optimism is my Phil-osophy on Jun 24, 2021 5:38:55 GMT -5
I know some 667ers watch this show, and with its secret codes and stuff it's likely to appeal to a Snicket fan, so as the second season has recently appeared, I thought we might discuss it. I was recently reading some actual Arsene Lupin stories, and I discovered that 'Arsene' was not in fact his original name. Can anyone guess what it was? I remember reading a story about when Lupine was a kid... His first robbery. Is it in this tale that his real name is revealed, Hermes? I really enjoyed the first season of the Netflix show. But I needed to increase my suspension of disbelief to have fun in season two.
I mean... (Look, I can talk about this because I'm black): It's hard to believe that a very tall black man could go unnoticed in France wearing just a few facial props. I mean... The adults of France in the universe of the series Lupin must live in the same universe of ASOUE, not to notice those disguises.
Also... What stopped the villains from kidnapping his son again or from threatening his ex-wife again? In real life, she would have moved somewhere and tried to disappear right after she got her son back. Or I would ask for police assistance. Also, the final plan was messed up... Assane managed a confession under threat using an illegal wiretapping... Any newly graduated lawyer would be able to nullify that evidence. Then he tried to induce the villain to make a fraud that did not materialize... There are few countries that have strict laws for unsuccessful attempts at fraud. After all, how can you prove the accusations without bringing up evidence against yourself of ideological falsehood (in the case of the young man who helped Assane in the end?). And besides, when it becomes evident that Assane had access to the technology to generate fake voices... Any recording from him would be unreliable.
Assane may have been inspired by Lupin, but he's nowhere near as brilliant.
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Lupin
Jul 1, 2021 15:44:27 GMT -5
Post by Hermes on Jul 1, 2021 15:44:27 GMT -5
I remember reading a story about when Lupine was a kid... His first robbery. Is it in this tale that his real name is revealed, Hermes? Yes, that's the one.
'Master of disguise', the person who can change his appearance so that no one recognises him, is a long-standing literary convention, even if it's not possible in real life. I think there are enough black people in France that 'there's a tall black man' wouldn't be a giveaway in itself.
Agreed that it wouldn't be possible to convict Pellegrini on the evidence Assane collected/created. But it would at least get Assane himself off the hook for killing whatsisname, and would also mean that Pellegrini couldn't hide behind his relationship with the police chief - after which it might be possible to convict him on his wife's evidence.
And is Arsene himself really more brilliant? I often found myself, when reading the stories, wondering 'how exactly would he manage that?'.
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Post by Christmas Chief on Jul 6, 2021 1:17:10 GMT -5
I watched the show! I thought every episode was very well-executed, though like JL I felt that there was a missed opportunity in the finale. Why wouldn't Assane play the recording for the audience? I thought that was where the show was going since while the coerced confession wouldn't be valuable for the police, it could have destroyed Pellegrini's social image and thus taken some of his power. But instead, as far as the audience knows, a wanted criminal interrupted a charity event to make a few unsubstantiated accusations on stage, then disappear.
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Lupin
Jul 6, 2021 15:01:33 GMT -5
Post by Christmas Chief on Jul 6, 2021 15:01:33 GMT -5
Also, the series made me realize that the "gentleman __" trope is really underused in modern television.
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Lupin
Aug 16, 2021 17:08:50 GMT -5
Post by Hermes on Aug 16, 2021 17:08:50 GMT -5
Well, since no one has found the answer: Arsene's real name was Raoul. This puts the scene where Assane comes up with a name for his son in a new light. I did wonder whether he was putting one over on his partner, but I watched the scene again, and she defintely knows.
Agree about gentlemen, though it seems a rather tricky concept; it's noteworthy that in French the word is still 'gentleman' (as in the song which Assane plays in the last episode, 'C'est un gentleman cambrioleur'), as if they couldn't think of a word for it themselves.
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Lupin
Aug 16, 2021 21:43:34 GMT -5
Post by Optimism is my Phil-osophy on Aug 16, 2021 21:43:34 GMT -5
I recently read The Golden Triangle, a novel in which Lupin appears. I liked it, even though I deduced one of the secrets of the work halfway through the book, I didn't understand the details and Lupin's action was really cool.
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