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Post by Esmé's meme is meh on Sept 8, 2022 21:23:48 GMT -5
Is someone here actually sad that awful woman died?
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Post by Reba on Sept 8, 2022 22:15:23 GMT -5
I don’t see how she was an awful woman. she was essentially a shell of a person who was raised to do nothing and think nothing. it is absurd that people should celebrate her life as if she had any achievements. her death is about as sad as any random 96 year old’s death.
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Post by B. on Sept 9, 2022 0:40:07 GMT -5
To quote Brandon, I'm kinda surprised how much I find myself agreeing with Bear these days but we move on.
But yeah, as someone's grandmother/mother and a 96 year old woman, sure its sad but she lived a long life. From the standpoint of being someone from the UK it is very weird and surreal because she's been head of state longer than most people have been alive now, and it's been almost unthinkable. The idea of it no longer being the Elizabethan era is strange and now having a king is strange but ultimately it won't be anything more than that.
Personally I think we can do without the monarchy. It's an outdated institution that represents a bygone time. It's a waste of tax payers money, not to mention the fact that multiple of her sons and family were pedophiles, and all the damage the UK did due to colonialism in the past. I'd say i hope this is the beginning of the end, but I doubt it.
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Post by Isadora Is a Door on Sept 9, 2022 1:29:57 GMT -5
I agree with what bee says, in that it feels like a changing of the guard (haha) and certainly odd that she is being replaced by someone else. It will no doubt be a cultural shift for the country, and no matter how much one can dislike the monarchy you cannot deny that.
The society of humanity is built around it's links to the past, and the fear of losing those connections as we hurtle towards a dark and foreboding future. The Queen is one of those links to the past, so that being gone means that a lot of this countrys ties to the good old days where we were beating up nazis and showing johnny foreigner how its done are now completely lost. So unfortunately that means a lot of people in this country are going to be upset.
Personally, I'm dreading the amount of psychophantic clamouring by flag-waving neurotic nationalists i'm going to have to endure at work for the next few weeks (and I expect weeks is being optimistic).
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Post by Esmé's meme is meh on Sept 9, 2022 7:56:50 GMT -5
I think I'm biased since my country, as many others, has been heavily affected by the decisions of the Queen and the power she represents (and still is, considering the UK is still occupying argentinian territory). I understand what bear and you guys say, but still, she is and has been responsible of the UK's atrocities so I can only think of that when I think about her death.
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Sept 9, 2022 8:17:59 GMT -5
Post by Isadora Is a Door on Sept 9, 2022 8:17:59 GMT -5
Not that im defending anything that this country has done, but I think Elizabeth II is very low down on the list people who would be proportioned blame. The Queen and the monarchy are a mostly powerless prop, and they don't really have much in the way in influence in the governing or decisions that this country makes. I'm not saying that they are influence-less, but I don't think they hold as much sway in the way that - as I understand it, though of course you can correct me on this - Argentineans feel.
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Sept 9, 2022 8:24:51 GMT -5
Post by Esmé's meme is meh on Sept 9, 2022 8:24:51 GMT -5
I mean she was the Queen, she was the top authority of the UK at least in theory, wasn't she?
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Sept 9, 2022 8:30:29 GMT -5
Post by Isadora Is a Door on Sept 9, 2022 8:30:29 GMT -5
In theory, yes, but not in practice. The Queen and the Monarchy have essentially nothing to do with the political decisions that the government make and/or pursue. They have very little control or influence over anything (at least, not in any significant way).
Or maybe that's just what they want us to think!!
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Post by Esmé's meme is meh on Sept 9, 2022 8:34:09 GMT -5
If you agree to be the puppet head of a political group that creates chaos and atrocities around the world in your name, well you're not that innocent to me and as responsible as they are. She didn't seem too upset to lead the life she led at any point.
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Post by Isadora Is a Door on Sept 9, 2022 8:37:15 GMT -5
I'd hesitate to use the word political group (though anything can be political if you subjectivise it), but otherwise I agree with you.
I'd blame Thatcher over anyone else though.
Just, y'know, for everything.
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Sept 9, 2022 8:43:43 GMT -5
Post by Esmé's meme is meh on Sept 9, 2022 8:43:43 GMT -5
Again, wasn't/isn't the Royal Family first in the hierarchy? Correct me if I'm wrong, but Thatcher didn't get there alone and didn't do all the awful things she did without the consent of the Royal Familiy, and they didn't much to stop her other that enjoying their privileged life in a castle wearing fancy and colorful dresses.
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Post by B. on Sept 9, 2022 8:57:13 GMT -5
I agree with and see with where Zortegus is coming from, not that she's the only one personally responsible, but my own family was affected by colonalism and particularly in the partition of India into India and Pakistan- my grandmother would still talk about how her farmland was taken off her and they shot her dog and took her cattle as a woman in her 90s and this happened when she was a teenager.
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Post by Reba on Sept 9, 2022 9:18:33 GMT -5
Again, wasn't/isn't the Royal Family first in the hierarchy? Correct me if I'm wrong, but Thatcher didn't get there alone and didn't do all the awful things she did without the consent of the Royal Familiy, and they didn't much to stop her other that enjoying their privileged life in a castle wearing fancy and colorful dresses. are you suggesting that the monarchy should have actually tried to seize power again and overrule the decisions of the government ? they are certainly not first in the hierarchy in anything but ceremonies. I would say they would actually have far more power over politics if they totally relinquished their ceremonial roles, because then they could sway public opinion by being activists (as royals they’re not allowed to state a political opinion). I’m sure they have influence behind the scenes as much as any super wealthy people do, but there are MPs that are personally wealthier than a royal.
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Sept 9, 2022 9:30:20 GMT -5
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Post by Isadora Is a Door on Sept 9, 2022 9:30:20 GMT -5
I think the moral of the story is that the UK, and the people who lead, govern, and rule it, in any and all capacities, is a piece of salsa.
I hate it and everyone in it.
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Sept 9, 2022 10:13:14 GMT -5
Post by Reba on Sept 9, 2022 10:13:14 GMT -5
very true, but believe it or not, there is another country that is even worse.
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