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Post by Optimism is my Phil-osophy on Jan 21, 2023 6:44:19 GMT -5
Reba it's true!!! Thank you very much!!! 23 and 87 need to fit into this, and the language used and even the setting match the scene. The narrator Alexandre, saw the other Alexandre leaving the bar at night. He receives a letter that was written by the deceased. It is Kate who hands him the letter. 23 and 87 necessarily follow in that order, as the poem cited begins at 23 and ends at 87. It would be necessary to include 23 and 87 after the drunken Alexander's entry into the Moon pub. I'll look into it as soon as I have time. Thank you very much! I wouldn't have noticed without your help.
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Post by Optimism is my Phil-osophy on Jan 21, 2023 13:05:11 GMT -5
82 needs to be off the list. The tense is different. While the rest are narrated in the present tense, 82 is narrated in the simple past. With 82 Bart, the dog, also leaves the scene. With the deletion of 82, my argument in favor of the narrator being named Alexander also goes away. So I don't know what the narrator's name is. And as Reba said, when he says "Alexander's my name" the narrator is not necessarily introducing himself, but is putting himself in the shoes of the man he is seeing. With the inclusion of 23 and 87, the guest (the woman) also changes identity. At 23, a clear reference is made to "Rhyme of the Duchess May" by Elizabeth Barrett Browning. The name of the guest is the name of the "duchess". Thus, the guest is called "May". Kate is just an extra, as is Alexander, the drunk. With reference to "the paper" at 23, this is because the narrator said he would analyze the only literature in front of him at 96. So 23 and 87 must fall somewhere after 96. At 17, Alexander the drunkard , is seen entering the Moon bar. As early as 87 he is seen leaving the Moon Bar. So 23 and 87 must be placed after 17 as well. Also, at 87, May delivers a letter to the narrator. Already at 17 is when May meets the narrator. So surely 23 and 87 must come somewhere after 17. At 43, Alexander the drunk is seen heading towards the other bar. So 23 and 87 have to be placed before 43. A - 1, 96, 17, (23, 87) 47, 4, 43, 84, 63, 30, 100 B - 1, 96, 17, 47, (23, 87), 4, 43, 84, 63, 30, 100 C - 1, 96, 17, 47, 4, (23, 87), 43, 84, 63, 30, 100 However, 47 and 4 must necessarily go together, as they complement each other in an organic way. It was Maestro Jimson who, in real life, composed the song Orange Pekoe. So "B" is not possible. 87 and 43 must not follow. This is because 87 ends with a description of a victim who was in a state of detestable putrefaction, according to the narrator. But in 43, the sentence starts with "This is good". Unless Resemblance is the narrator, C doesn't match. Thus, the only possible alternative is A. 1, 96, 17, 23, 87, 47, 4, 43, 84, 63, 30, 100 In short: The Narrator, is sitting in a cafeteria that serves teas and ice cream, waiting to meet a woman named May. He observes another woman named Kate on the road (who, when married that same day, becomes Katerine Somerset, and has the nickname Casy and Kate). The Narrator looks at the sea, the beach, the weather, and people passing by, one of whom is called Alexander, and is known to consume alcohol in the two nearby pubs. The narrator, writes with a pen that he affectionately calls Henry. The brand of the pen he uses is Aquarius, and apparently he uses it frequently, and even used it for the benefit of some man who is currently dead. While waiting for May to arrive, the Narrator drinks tea. Then, after the wedding, Kate arrives at cafeteria. But, more important than that is the fact the May arrives at cafeteria and sits on the chair in front of him at the table at the veranda of the commercial establishment. The deceased old man was the one who wanted May and the Narrator to meet, although the Narrator didn't understand why. May delivers a letter from the deceased to the narrator. So she discusses about a doctor with the Narrator. As they talk, Alexander tries to keep his attention on both May and Barbara, a woman with curly blonde hair, with whom he apparently had some relationship in the past. May insists that the Narrator have a specific tea that involves steeping an orange in a tea cup. May distracts Narrator, making him look out to sea. Narrator notices that there is something different about the tea, but still drinks it. So she has two sundaes and he has a banana split. After some time, he starts to feel sick. He then feels sick without being able to get up. May looks at him triumphantly. The Narrator drops the pen before he finishes writing. Apparently, he dies poisoned by May.
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Post by R. on Jan 21, 2023 14:07:04 GMT -5
I’ve gotten to work, no spoilers. In hindsight I’m wondering if I should do this alone
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Post by Reba on Jan 21, 2023 14:57:25 GMT -5
i suggest this order, which is the same as the one you had, but removes 82 and adds 23&87 (and adds 30, which you forgot in your second list) 1, 96, 17, 23, 87, 47, 4, 43, 84, 63, 30, 100. edit: i didn't see your edit, Optimism is my Phil-osophy. so my order matches your new order, but you forgot 30 again.
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Post by Optimism is my Phil-osophy on Jan 21, 2023 15:07:47 GMT -5
Thanks! I just corrected. Now I will investigate the pages where I believe the narrator is a dog. (Bart or Henry).
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Post by R. on Jan 21, 2023 16:33:41 GMT -5
Henry is clearly a human, there may be two dogs so the dog narrator isn’t necessarily Bart but easily could be.
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Post by Optimism is my Phil-osophy on Jan 23, 2023 13:41:39 GMT -5
So I've been analyzing. It will still need to improve and not organize the pages. It's a preview: There is a story that focuses mainly on the mansion and garden of Alexandre, who owns Bart. This story is narrated over a few months by different narrators. But these narrators also leave this environment. But their history is pretty intricate with each other. Bart the Dog Tells I think: 8, 10, 11, 14, 19, 22,29,33,48,64,57,79,88,98 Alexander narrates: 9,15,21,26,32,36,54,75,86 Clement narrates: 86,24,85,86,24 A woman (Jasmine or May, I don't know yet) narrates: 45.56 Henry the dog narrates: 46,39,99 (Walt:85) If I'm not mistaken, Henry the dog has killed quite a few people. After that, Alexander killed Henry. Later Alexander met with a medical man named Clement. Correction: Alexander Clement is a doctor. He finds himself a professor of mineralogy.
In 3, Alexander Clement hires Walt to kill someone by poisoning him. He delivers the poison grown in his garden, and hires him by promising to supply him with marijuana for life.
In Alexander's garden, he grows a poisonous plant. Bart is a dog who appreciates botany. I made some notes referring to dates and historical facts of the real universe, which I will describe later.
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Post by Optimism is my Phil-osophy on Jan 23, 2023 15:19:39 GMT -5
Henry is clearly a human, there may be two dogs so the dog narrator isn’t necessarily Bart but easily could be. In fact, there are several Henrys in history. Evidence points to one of them being in fact a dog. I believe that reading the pages I have selected will make this clear. And as I explain some of the conclusions, that too should be clear.
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Post by Optimism is my Phil-osophy on Jan 24, 2023 6:41:03 GMT -5
91 - Apparently Henry, the dog, belonged to a man named DeAth, before he belonged to Alexander. This DeAth guy seems to have some kind of macabre museum.
With a lot of work, I checked some dates of events on the pages I highlighted:
August 1st: is the date of the meeting with Clement (I think Clement slept over at Alexander's for one night.)
32 - Narrator: Alexander. August 2ond (It is probably the date of death of the dog Henry.) 79 - Narrator: Bart August 11th 88 - Bart: August 13th. 10: Bart: August 17th 8: Bart: August 18th. 22: Bart - August 20th. 15: Narrator Alexander: August 31st.
Another thing I noticed: The narrator of 6 and the narrator of 9 are possibly in the same mansion, (maybe at different times). Narrator 6 has the last name "Gay", and Narrator 9 has the last name "Knight".
I believe the narrator of 6 is Alexander, because he claims he would introduce the gardening enthusiast to some plant. The gardening enthusiast must be Bart, because he's already demonstrated that he considers himself a botanist, despite the fact that he doesn't know how to pronounce the word correctly.
The narrator of 9 is a professor of mineralogy. Professor Knight.
at the moment, 86 and 24 have convinced me that Alexander's name is Alexander Clement. (Or Alexander Clement)
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Post by Reba on Jan 24, 2023 19:19:08 GMT -5
i wonder about some of the pages you have identified as Bart.
i've just been looking at 14. "Some fragments of dejected flesh still lay among the rests of the spilled wine. At my sign, Henry stooped and made all clean again." surely this refers to the dog Henry?
furthermore, the narrator in 14 is observing a man talking to May. i think it is the scene you first described. the question, “Are you going to leave everything to me?” suggests both a sundae, and a will, which i think connects to the pair of pages, 12&50.
May's fiddling with the Aquarius pen is echoed in 50: "the wonderful hands at the opposite side of the table were at work with a caseful of strange pens." and in 12, the observer sees the other man's name on his cigarette case: Thomas Hardy. the character Hardy seems to be mentioned in 5 and 65.
that was a rabbit hole, but i will mention some other Bart pages that i'm unconvinced by later.
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Post by Optimism is my Phil-osophy on Jan 24, 2023 20:23:36 GMT -5
i wonder about some of the pages you have identified as Bart. i've just been looking at 14. "Some fragments of dejected flesh still lay among the rests of the spilled wine. At my sign, Henry stooped and made all clean again." surely this refers to the dog Henry? What makes me think that the narrator is Bart is the fact that the narrator makes a sign (I thought a bark) and then another dog, Henry, cleans up from eating the leftover food. The narrator is seeing a man, a woman and Henry.
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Post by Optimism is my Phil-osophy on Jan 24, 2023 21:16:36 GMT -5
I think these pages would go well together with a character who for some reason is depicted traveling and taking pills. I think his name is Walt, and now that you've mentioned the strange pens, I think he's the man sitting at a table in a diner near the beach. Pages are 40, 20, 3, 97, (12-50),32, I have not yet thoroughly analyzed all of his pages, but I have also listed 20, 28, 51, 85. I believe that the method to put these pages in the right order involves geographically identifying which are the places to which the narrator refers, and verifying what makes the most sense thinking about roads that actually exist. SO: 40, 20, 3, 97, (12-50),32, 28, 51, 85 It's still out of order.
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Post by Optimism is my Phil-osophy on Jan 26, 2023 15:38:46 GMT -5
So, in the last few days I discovered a lot of things. I don't even know where to start. So today I found out that some of the voiceovers that I thought were Bart the dog are actually Henry the dog. At 19, the dog Henry's full name is revealed: William Sydney Porter (a very appropriate name for the dog's nickname, as it is the name of an author who had that name and nickname). It is interesting that the Portuguese version substituted the full name in full, and wrote something like "my full name". This would prevent access to that information. So, I'm still analyzing which dog speaks in which part, but I think at the moment it's not so essential. On the other hand, I have found a research method that I am finding to be quite effective, which is to try to organize the pages chronologically as much as possible. Even when different narrators are involved in the organization. At least, the part of the story where the dogs are involved, is so tangled up with so many events, different narrators and a passage of time between one page and another, sometimes small and sometimes big, that it seems to me that this method is the best to untie this not so silent knot. April 27 Narrator taking soup, seeing Henry man standing next to a woman. He claims to have a job well. 54 - June 18: Alexandre Clement receives a letter from Miss Doncaster. He smokes cigarette Nestor. 6 - June 18: Lights Cigarette Nestor. (There is a literary reference that indicates that it is the Nestor brand) Alexander Clement. , he probably decides that he will try to propose M.D. in marriage. You're smoking. It shows a foxglove (a medicinal plant) for Bart / Henry. Think about the room, where Mrs. Gay stayed. Next to the room was the bell sound. 15 - Alexander Clement - July 31 Volta from 20:00. Bart was nibbling his shoes. Cita BBC and Alexander Pope. August 1 - Giffen meeting with Alexander Clement. (Giffen is the name of the man who took pills, as indicated in 85, through a literary reference to the author Kipling and one of his characters. 32 - August 2. "Giffen" site: Emsworth - after he met Alexander Clement. It does not understand that you will receive marijuana as payment for some kind of work. Henry, the pen is quoted. It is in a place near the beach: Emsworth. I know this because of historical / geographical reference of. Wodehouse. 3 - Giffen - August 2. Site: Stoughton. (It's a name of half a publisher, who published the books mentioned.) I searched Google Maps, and this is just 5.1 miles northeast of Emsworth. 12-minute drive. He states that he is on his way. 51 (new) - Giffen - Site: Hambledom. (references the 11 of club cricket who have won 29 times in 10 years.) Quotes poem Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman. 20 - "Giffen" narrated on August 5 on what would happen on August 6. He wrote: "Next Day I Wald has to pay for all I had to pay for all I had to pay for all I had to pay Date (August 6). Site: He is near the margin of the Mole river and near the Stoke Dalbernon Church. 51 miles from Emsworth. Page 40 - Narrated by Giffen. He is getting closer to the destination. He is in the town of Long Diton (a town considered to be the sister town of Thames Ditton). (I believe I still need to identify several intermediary cities, but it was good to understand all the path taken). He identifies the name of a female character: Jasmine Gay, as he references the poem Hassan's Serenade by James Elroy Flecker (in the quoted passage the ancient writing is Yasmin.) And then he references Jasmine's family name as the same name of the opera inspired by the life of Jack Sheppard. The composer of the opera is named Jon Gay in real life. Page 97 - Narrated by Giffen. - He wakes up in Wimbledon, London. I know this because he quotes two great tennis champions, Frederick John Perry and Henry Wilfred "Bunny" Austin. Both are champions of Wimbledon Championships. Tennis Avenue: Probaly someehre near The Gardens Tennis Club, Wimbledon. 85 - Narrator: Giffen: Site: Baker Street London. (Very Easy: Brother of Mycroft is Sherlok Holmes. Blake lives in the same road.) On this page, identify the name of the character: Giffen, from Kipling's poem Giffen's Debit. Also, as usual, Giffen quotes Walt Wiman, who wrote The Sleepers about how the killer and the victim sleep. Griffin apparently kills someone using his pen (Henry). He probably kills Jasmine Gay. Note about 28: aparentemente não faz parte do mesmo autor. Apesar de estar viajando, o autor de 28 está em uma rota totalmente diferente. Ele está em Pluckey, que pude observar que não fica nem um pouco perto deste trajeto. O narrador de 28 cita o livro The important of Being Earnest, enquanto que Giffen geralmente cita Walt Whitman.
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Post by Optimism is my Phil-osophy on Jan 26, 2023 23:36:44 GMT -5
Reba and R., what do you think so far?
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Post by Optimism is my Phil-osophy on Jan 27, 2023 11:06:15 GMT -5
I just found out that Caroline Jasmine is named after a poisonous flower and not a person. I believe that Jasmine Gay is a person, but she is not present in the scene where Caroline Jasmine is mentioned. So what happens in 86 and 24 is an unsuccessful assassination attempt by poison. Clement tried to kill his guest (I believe the guest is the DeAth Knight Professor of Mineralogy. Also, now that I have identified the full name of Clement's dog, I also suspect that Clement is not named Alexander. Alexander must be Bart's owner, and not Henry's owner. (Perhaps Bart isn't a narrator after all, but I still need to be sure.) I think the confusion arises from the fact that Alexander, Bart's owner, may be nicknamed Henry. Perhaps Jasmine Gay is the wife de Alexander (Henry) is a narrator, and so sometimes it seems that there is a Henry and a Bart in the same scene, but maybe they are not two dogs, but a human and a dog.
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