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Post by Vacuum Pot on Sept 26, 2003 21:05:23 GMT -5
Heres my commanplace notebook on The Slippery Slope.... I remember yesturday I was about to write down some more things but then I had to leave and forgot them.... So... The Slippery Slope (notes from commanplace notebooks) To my kind editor, I apologize for the watery quality of this letter, but I'm afraid the ink I am using has become dilisted, a word which here means "soaked with salt water from the ocean and from the author's own tears." It is difficult to conduct my investigation on the somaged subermarine where the Baudelaire lived during this episode of their lives, and I can only hope that the rest of this letter will not (illegible words). The Grim Gr (smuged out completely) words that are "gr" that fit: graduation grammer granary grand (insert word here- duke, aunt, child, dad, daughter, duchess, durchey, dame) Grand Jury grand piano granlite grape grape fruit grapevine grapple grass grasshopper grate grave grave stone grave yard gravy grease greenhouse greenroom gremlin grill grizzly bear ground group grove (most likely graveyard) Looks like there is a captile A at the end of the smugedness, but am not to sure. This letter does not look complete. Will we get to see the rest of this letter later? Maybe it will be released as a Slippery Slope like clue... Two who disappear and where never found again turns out to be the two-powdered-face-women who found hearts and turned away from Count Olaf. The initals V.F.D. seem to stand for everything the V.F.D. use, which can become confusing, but we find that the true initals stand for Volunteer Fire Department. Two sinister villians appear. A man without hair but a beard. A woman with hair but not a beard. Which is what Lemony refers to them as because he is to frightened to say there real names. Even Olaf seems nervous and edgy around them. Who could they be? Noticed how when Violet, Klaus, Quigly were in disguise and told the villians they were volunteers the woman with hair but no beard voice momentarily was as deep as usual. Perhaps she and he are in disguise or she was frightened/nervous. But once again who are they? They work for the VFD, or did. But they were on Olaf's side of the schism. Interesting how they werent mentioned in LSUA. LSUA was published before TCC- perhaps if we looked at some of the illustrations in TCC there might be a bald man without hair but a beard, and a woman with hair but no beard, or maybe they are a new thought charectar and had no previous origin from the previous books. Bruce, the leader of snow scouts is the same person from the herpetological society who took away Uncle Monty's collection; later we find that count olaf persuaded him to give the reptiles to him. Before the schism, the VFD united had many animals that helped them, after the schism,the good VFD people had carrier crows on there side (Village of Fowl Devotees) and trained reptiles (though Olaf interrupts saying "Not anymore, all but one-" he is cut off, perhaps that one is the incredibly deadly viper) but bad VFD people have lions (once very noble beasts used to sniff fires) and eagles. Sinister people to use eagles to get down the self-sustaining house hector built. (perhaps the good vfd had crickets on there side too- in lsua, R in her letter to Lemony notes that she could not hear the crickets. Perhaps is referringg to secret messages in crickets give as found in back of LSUA). Spats, Winnipeg, and Kornbluth fortunes (and many more) Esme talks about having. C.M. Kornbluth the mechanical engineer at VFD HQ is most likely Charlie from TMM, must have had children who are now in the snow scouts. Duchess of Winnipeg from LSUA (mentioned many times) was refered to as R, must have children now in snow scouts. Currently all snow scouts are in bad vfd'ers hands. Lemony talks about how at a picnic the Baudelaire mom gave Lemony a recipe for chilled salad. On page 29 of LSUA there is a picture of the second annual codebreaking picnic. Perhaps this is the same one where beatrice gives lemony the recipe? It is now completely confirmed that Ike (Dr. Isaac Anwhistle) was a VFD person. Could Josephine Anwspitle be also? What was Ike a doctor of? A brave volunteer threw the sugar bowl out of the window so it would not be destroyed in the fire that consumed the VFD VFD HQ. Went down tributary of the Stricken Stream. Note that the Baudelaire and Quigley are taking two seperate journeys down Striken Stream tributary. Perhaps the Baudelaires or Quigley will find the sugar bowl and unlock its mystery's. The fire was not that long before the Baudelaires and Quigley went down the tributaries. The back picture in The Slippery Slope does not have anything extremely interesting or obvious. The only small thing is 5 mushrooms with some polka dots. Cannot see other side, uncountable amount. Submarine and mushroom? That no life lives forever; That dead men rise up never; That even the weariest river Winds somewhere safe to sea Poem found Verbal Fride Dialouge. Find rhyming dictionary and what rymes with "zucchini" Last Safe Place=Hotel Denouement. Sinister people and Olaf and his henchmen plan on burning down the hotel. Note in letter to Lemony's sister, he says that her suggestion that hiding anything important and small in a tea set was very handy. Sunny found a tea set when cooking breakfast. I don't think it looks like a capital A. It looks more like D. The man with a beard, but no hair, and the woman with the hair, but no beard were NOT AT THE CARNIVAL FOR THE UMPTEENTH TIME. They didn't know that Olaf had already burned it down. They have not been mentioned at all yet in the series. They are not in disguise. Why would they be, and why didn't Olaf say anything? We didn't find out that Olaf tricked Bruce into giving him the reptiles. I don't even know where you got that idea. The bad V.F.D. is called O.F.D. No, Aunt Josephine was not a member of V.F.D. She was too unobservant, and she would have noticed the things from the disguise kit. I'm sick of people not even reading thoroughly. Come on! Revise, people! Revise! Edit: Okay, I re-read Chapter 13 today and found out where Olaf says that he tricked Bruce into giving him the reptiles... my mistake.  Do you think that the incredibly deadly viper is still alive? I hope so. HANDLER BETTER NOT KILL IT OR THE QUAGMIRES. |
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Post by Vacuum Pot on Sept 27, 2003 9:52:11 GMT -5
Acording to the information in TUA, and Lemony's notes in TBB: RE, we now know that the Offical Fire Department is in the control of Olaf.
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Post by Lady Michelina on Sept 27, 2003 9:54:28 GMT -5
Acording to the information in TUA, and Lemony's notes in TBB: RE, we now know that the Offical Fire Department is in the control of Olaf. Oh no!!!  |
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Post by Tyler on Sept 27, 2003 9:56:22 GMT -5
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Post by Tyler on Sept 27, 2003 13:33:54 GMT -5
It was near the end...
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Post by Lady Michelina on Sept 27, 2003 16:48:56 GMT -5
no!!! This cant be happening!  |
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Post by NewbiaTheElf on Sept 27, 2003 17:00:19 GMT -5
denoument=Noun,1-the final outcome of the main dramatic complication of a literary work,2-the outcome of a complex sequence of events. In other words, when they get to the hotel, all will be explained and the conflict will be resolved, which means they can't go there until book 13. C.M.Kornbluth can't be Charlie, because when Violet is inventing something Lemony says something along the lines of, 'It's too bad she'll never meet C.M.Kornbluth, because he would love that.' Also, Lemony doesn't know what C.M. stands for, so it can't be Charlie. It's the figurine with the message hidden inside. Plus, in the autobiography, they have the secret message hidden in a letter about a survivor of the fire being hidden in the snowman, and a picture of all the actors for Zombies in The Snow with a snowman, though it melted after a while. She is eaten because Lemony says something about two fishermen finding her life-jacket. Now, they assume it is olives. However, there is only one pickle in the pickle jar. Olives seem a bit too easy to figure out. One pickle means Sunday, some lemon juice means monday, et cetera, would be available only to VFD members only, meaning outsiders and enemies wouldn't understnand. Plus, how Klaus is suspicious of how the poem they needed miraculously wasn't destroyed the fire, as though someone had put it there. That means that they could have had burnt off the pickle part, which means the Baudelaires have the wrong day! Or it could be something else. Perhaps it was a friend, since it did point out 'sugarbowls'. 'I can only hope this letter will not (short word-smoke, melt) away,'I think. It can't be Grand Something because it is a one-letter word . It's not graveyard because what would that be doing on a submarine? I read somewhere it was 'gameroom' and if it were a cruise submarine, that would make sense. Perhaps they are odd polka-dotted, red-herring flavored mushrooms used to poison someone. That no life lives forever;
That dead men rise up never;
That even the weariest river
Winds somewhere safe to seaStricken means overwhelmed by disease or sorrow, that plus trying to carry the ashes is quite wearying. Safe To Sea is the last safe place. Since the Baudelaires can't come to the Hotel until book 13 (see above), that means one tributary goes to the hotel, the other doesn't, and Quigley is the one going to the hotel while the Baudelaires go to the submarine. Oh, and if you go to www.lemonysnicket.com/ and try to decode the message, it says Many individuals have the same initials, which can lead to much injustice. Lets see, JS (Jaques Snicket, Jerome Sqaulor, Justice Strauss), LS, VB, KB (both Klaus and possibly the mysterious K thought to be a Baudelaire),SB, ES, EP (Eleanora Poe, I forget the name of mister Poe, did anything particularily tragic happen to Edger Allen Poe?), QQ (Quigley Qaugmire, could same initials be the same letter?), IQ, DQ, CS, BS (Carmelita and Bruce Spats), SS (Sally Sebold and her brother) and I can't think of anymore that have last names. |
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Post by Lady Michelina on Sept 27, 2003 17:16:53 GMT -5
denoument=Noun,1-the final outcome of the main dramatic complication of a literary work,2-the outcome of a complex sequence of events. In other words, when they get to the hotel, all will be explained and the conflict will be resolved, which means they can't go there until book 13. C.M.Kornbluth can't be Charlie, because when Violet is inventing something Lemony says something along the lines of, 'It's too bad she'll never meet C.M.Kornbluth, because he would love that.' Also, Lemony doesn't know what C.M. stands for, so it can't be Charlie. It's the figurine with the message hidden inside. Plus, in the autobiography, they have the secret message hidden in a letter about a survivor of the fire being hidden in the snowman, and a picture of all the actors for Zombies in The Snow with a snowman, though it melted after a while. She is eaten because Lemony says something about two fishermen finding her life-jacket. Now, they assume it is olives. However, there is only one pickle in the pickle jar. Olives seem a bit too easy to figure out. One pickle means Sunday, some lemon juice means monday, et cetera, would be available only to VFD members only, meaning outsiders and enemies wouldn't understnand. Plus, how Klaus is suspicious of how the poem they needed miraculously wasn't destroyed the fire, as though someone had put it there. That means that they could have had burnt off the pickle part, which means the Baudelaires have the wrong day! Or it could be something else. Perhaps it was a friend, since it did point out 'sugarbowls'. 'I can only hope this letter will not (short word-smoke, melt) away,'I think. It can't be Grand Something because it is a one-letter word . It's not graveyard because what would that be doing on a submarine? I read somewhere it was 'gameroom' and if it were a cruise submarine, that would make sense. Perhaps they are odd polka-dotted, red-herring flavored mushrooms used to poison someone. That no life lives forever;
That dead men rise up never;
That even the weariest river
Winds somewhere safe to seaStricken means overwhelmed by disease or sorrow, that plus trying to carry the ashes is quite wearying. Safe To Sea is the last safe place. Since the Baudelaires can't come to the Hotel until book 13 (see above), that means one tributary goes to the hotel, the other doesn't, and Quigley is the one going to the hotel while the Baudelaires go to the submarine. Oh, and if you go to www.lemonysnicket.com/ and try to decode the message, it says Many individuals have the same initials, which can lead to much injustice. Lets see, JS (Jaques Snicket, Jerome Sqaulor, Justice Strauss), LS, VB, KB (both Klaus and possibly the mysterious K thought to be a Baudelaire),SB, ES, EP (Eleanora Poe, I forget the name of mister Poe, did anything particularily tragic happen to Edger Allen Poe?), QQ (Quigley Qaugmire, could same initials be the same letter?), IQ, DQ, CS, BS (Carmelita and Bruce Spats), SS (Sally Sebold and her brother) and I can't think of anymore that have last names. Wow that must have took a while to write  Well anyways I agree with everything you said, your obviously a very bright person  Very well thought out...*adds to brand spankin new red commonplace notebook* |
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Post by Jin on Sept 28, 2003 9:09:50 GMT -5
If those people are the Poes, then why is Lemony afraid of calling them the Poes? Hes afraid of them, yet he mentions Mr. Poe in every book without a sign of fear. Also, is Mr. Poe bald with a beard? He might have a disguise, but I doubt that they are the Poes because Lemony is scared of them. Also, wouldn't Sunny have recognized them? If he was Mr. Poe, why didn't he take the kids a long time ago? It doesn't make sense for them to be the Poes. |
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Post by Lady Michelina on Sept 28, 2003 9:30:36 GMT -5
If those people are the Poes, then why is Lemony afraid of calling them the Poes? Hes afraid of them, yet he mentions Mr. Poe in every book without a sign of fear. Also, is Mr. Poe bald with a beard? He might have a disguise, but I doubt that they are the Poes because Lemony is scared of them. Also, wouldn't Sunny have recognized them? If he was Mr. Poe, why didn't he take the kids a long time ago? It doesn't make sense for them to be the Poes. Yes exactly it just cant be the Poes...and besides Count Olaf is afraid of the man with a beard but no hair and the woman with hir but no beard and every time he encountered Mr.Poe in the books , he never showed a sign of fear , he always treated Mr.Poe like a fool |
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Post by DetectiveDupin on Sept 28, 2003 11:37:27 GMT -5
Yeah, how did anyone get the idea that it was Mr. Poe. It could be anyone!
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Post by Sally on Sept 28, 2003 11:51:17 GMT -5
alright...now that we're at 9 pages for this forum...and seeing as im all giddy and fidgity because of all the mysteries surrounding the baudelaires (and may i mention that half my giddyness comes from Violet+Quigly??? AAAH! WUT ABOUT DUNCAN??? poor dearie...ill still love him. i was also rather disappointed at Violet. She and Duncan had been through so much more and he helped them even more than Quigly did...whereas two days after the baudelaires meet Quigly...Violet and him share their lil 'private moment'.)
however, to business. i think that amongst all these rumours we can safely say that Lemony Snicket is the Baudelaire childrens' uncle. the salad recipe proves that completely. i found it as obvious as a swarm of snow gnats flying into ones eyeballs...but for those who didn't spot it it goes like this. on pg. 100 Lemony hides a letter to his SISTER in the book after he's convinced that no one would 'continue reading' it after all his warnings. he mentions her other picnic suggestion which is a recipe for a chilled salad. on page 112 Sunny is thinking back to the time when her mother was preparing an enormous luncheon and was quickly whipping her ol' recipe for a chilled salad...if that doesn't prove it i dont know WHAT will...
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Post by Vacuum Pot on Sept 28, 2003 15:24:52 GMT -5
Yes, but why didn't they know who Jacques was? Why hadn't they atleast have heard the name "Snicket" before? I know my Mom's maiden name.
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Post by ponygirl's vapor on Sept 28, 2003 15:31:51 GMT -5
Can you give me the page number for where Lemony says he doesnt know what CM stand for?
Also Lemony could be saying Violet will never meet the CM Kornbluth Lemony knew, shell just meet the Charlie version.
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Post by Jin on Sept 28, 2003 19:44:16 GMT -5
I don't get the whole "Poe" theory.. isn't Mr. Poe's sister locked away in a basement? Yeah, that, along with other things proves the Poe theory WRONG. On the Unofficial FAQ, Mike said that he thinks the man with a beard but no hair is Mr. Poe and the woman is Eleanora Poe. |
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Well anyways I agree with everything you said, your obviously a very bright person 
Very well thought out...*adds to brand spankin new red commonplace notebook* 