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Post by bhredsox11 on Jul 31, 2006 19:48:39 GMT -5
who did the Baudelaires murder?
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Post by s on Jul 31, 2006 20:32:51 GMT -5
Um, the Bauds inadvertently killed Dewey Denouement. More manslaughter than murder.
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Post by Dante on Aug 5, 2006 10:36:31 GMT -5
When Handler said, prior to TPP, that the Baudelaires would kill somebody in the book, I personally was expecting something more than pretty much a complete accident. To be fair, though, the Baudelaires felt responsible, and I don't think the word "murder" actually came up, but it still led some of us down an avenue that turned out to be a dead end. (Then again, so did a lot of stuff on TheNamelessNovel.com, so I suppose it falls in the misdirection direction.)
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Post by RockSunner on Aug 6, 2006 21:27:14 GMT -5
The death of Dewey Denouement was accidental, but the Baudelaires did commit murder in this book.
By committing arson in a hotel crowded with blindfolded people, the Baudelaires are technically guilty of the murder of any who died in the fire.
Their defense is that had they not acted, Count Olaf would have murdered even more people with the Medusoid Mycelium.
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Post by Dante on Aug 7, 2006 1:36:31 GMT -5
Ah. I forgot about that, as it's less direct. Although they didn't actually light the fire, they just prepared the flammable rags, so I never counted it, I'm afraid. And they tried to warn people to get out, apparently expecting a lot more people to believe them. And failed to get particularly depressed or angsty about it, although that might be in the offing, they didn't have much opportunity to do so in only one chapter.
Edit: Though I guess Sunny did suggest it, and her siblings didn't hesitate to help her when asked.
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Post by Sugary Snicket on Aug 8, 2006 15:20:17 GMT -5
Sunny technically had the idea in the first place. Violet and Klaus just helped. And Olaf actually started it. Besides, the Baudelaires warned people first. If they didn't choose to believe them, then those people are stupid AND dead.
As for Dewey's demise, I'd call it manslaughter. They didn't mean to kill him. Think of it this way: if a robber told you to rob the bank and gave you a gun, but you were so nervous that you dropped it and it went off, killing the robber, you wouldn't have murdered the robber. The gun would've. Plus, you didn't fire it, not directly, at least. So, Dewey's death doesn't count, not technically.
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Post by descartes on Aug 13, 2006 1:31:17 GMT -5
But since they do not live in any place which is real, the laws are probably different considering how different their justice system is. That would most likely affect whether they actually commited murder and arson or not.
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Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on Aug 13, 2006 21:39:48 GMT -5
yes I made careful note that the Baudelaires did not actually start the fire, Olaf did. i was glad for that, because me hating Olaf I can now transfer responsibility to Olaf.
And Violet and Klaus did hesitate to help Sunny, they tried to shut her up at first not believing she would suggest such an action.
I don't think it was their fault at all that Dewey was killed. If they hadn't stood in front of him to defend him from Olaf he'd have died even earlier. It's Olaf's fault because he shoved the gun in their hands. Should they be labelled murderers for dropping a gun? Add to that that they risked their lives trying to defend the victim previously.
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Post by Dante on Aug 14, 2006 2:36:10 GMT -5
And Violet and Klaus did hesitate to help Sunny, they tried to shut her up at first not believing she would suggest such an action. You're right, they do initially protest strongly against Sunny's suggestion, and even thought she might be ill, but once Sunny actually said "Help me," they just followed her silently and did what Olaf told them. |
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Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on Aug 23, 2006 20:44:13 GMT -5
Yes. It sounds rather horrible until you consider the alternative: Olaf unleashing the mycelium and certainly killing everyone rather than a fire being started and people being given plenty of warning to get out and save themselves.
So while this seems morally ambiguous I think it was the best choice under the circumstances and the Baudelaires did whatever they could to save lives, Count Olaf did not by insisting there was no fire and trying to get everyone killed.
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Post by Grace on Sept 7, 2006 16:28:21 GMT -5
I do wish it didn't have to end in fire, just like everything else (as Lemony consistenly says, over...and over...). But yeah, I guess there was no other alternative.
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Post by jpgr007 on Sept 14, 2006 9:43:58 GMT -5
We don't know that Dewey is dead for sure.
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Post by Dante on Sept 14, 2006 10:31:26 GMT -5
We don't know that Dewey is dead for sure. I don't ever want this discussion again: "Dewey's not dead."Ever. |
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Post by Semesther, the Dolphin Vampire on Oct 23, 2006 19:00:12 GMT -5
Sunny did it becuase she thought of Kit. She was signaling Kit that it was not safe there.
And to get Oalf to not releasse the fungus.
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