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Post by jman on Apr 19, 2007 17:58:28 GMT -5
I would like to post my theory on the identity of JS:
On page 87 of the TPP, I think that the JS Esme is talking about is Jerome Squalor. The JS on page 138 that Dewey and Hal are talking about is Justice Strauss. The JS on page 112-113 that Charles is talking about is Jerome, and the one Sir is talking about is Count Olaf or an unkwon male villain, because... he is using the name Julio Sham.
As we know from TUA, all VFD members use the same disguise kit. In TWW, when Olaf is using the Boat Captain disguise, he calls himself Captain Julio Sham or Captain Sham. In TUA on page 110, when Jacques is disguised as a boat captain, he calls himself Captain S (Sham).
So, it seems to me that someone has adopted this fake name at the Hotel Denoument.
Does anyone know anything that supports or counters this theory? I would love to discuss it.
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Post by Dante on Apr 20, 2007 10:36:51 GMT -5
These analyses seem reasonable; let me go through the J.S.s myself.
Jam jar J.S. in TSS: Could be anyone; Widdershins didn't think anyone would send a message to Jacques, because he's dead, and while I think that that's not very realistic, the narrative doesn't question it, so I don't mind; it could easily apply to Jerome, Justice Strauss, or even someone we don't know about.
J.S. from TGG: I had a theory about this... oh yeah. Quigley copied his telegram to J.S., but a J.S. also sent Mr. Poe to the beach to intercept the Baudelaires. Quigley was probably trying to get the telegram to Justice Strauss or Jerome Squalor, who could take care of the Baudelaires if anything went wrong, but I think that another J.S. received it instead. I can't imagine who, though; it'd have to be a villain, and one whose name really was J.S., unless there's only meant to be one Julio Sham at a time, and the role was taken by a villain at the time. A Captain Sham would figure, for the seafaring connection in the message; however, it's possible that J.S. is such a vague set of initials that the message was copied to every J.S. on the network.
J.S. who signed into the hotel: Kit thinks this was someone impersonating her brother, but Frank's note doesn't indicate this in the slightest; they may have been talking at cross-purposes, Kit may have jumped to conclusions. Whoever this J.S. was, they ordered tea with sugar, indicating they were after the sugar bowl; personally, I see no problem with it being anyone, but since Justice Strauss was following the Baudelaires just before they arrived, it's probably not her. It could easily genuinely be Olaf posing as Jacques, or it could be a Julio Sham, or it could be Jerome. However, Jerome may only just have arrived in Chapter Eight, since he and Justice Strauss both appeared in a taxi, but they also indicate they were just on the other side of the pond. There's too much we don't know about their movements.
The J.S. in the basement: Whoever this person is, they're male, and Esmé doesn't like them, so it's probably not a villain. However, there's no indication, to my recollection, that Jerome was ever crawling about in the basement. It may be another J.S., or just another example of flawed communication; many people do have the same initials.
The J.S. who sent Charles to Hotel D.: Here's where it gets interesting. This person is trying to help Charles find the Baudelaires, and knows that they might be arriving by submarine; this indicates that it's the same J.S. who received Quigley's telegram, although as I said, it's conceivable that many people named J.S. received that. If we assume it's a wicked person, though, then they're trying to exploit Charles's kindness to intercept the Baudelaires themselves. They also told Charles something about the Baudelaire parents, but we don't know what - and so we don't know if it's something that only a noble or wicked person would have known.
The J.S. who invited Sir to the cocktail party: This J.S. claims to be hosting the cocktail party, which could indicate that it's Olaf. Similarly, they specify the cocktail party on Thursday night, and since the trial was scheduled for Thursday morning (as far as I remember), and since nobody would expect a person like Sir to exhibit the qualities of a noble person and arrive early, that again indicates it's a villain, rather than a volunteer trying to con Sir into attending the trial. This is also reinforced by the fact that this J.S. wanted Sir to bring all his valuables - to steal, surely, and also to destroy any evidence that Sir may have had that could hep V.F.D. It's fair to conclude this is Olaf.
The invitations sent to the Prufrock Prep. teachers: There's actually no J.S. link here; the invitations were apparently sent by Esmé Squalor and her boyfriend. We can presume the invitations didn't name Olaf, who the teachers would be somewhat wary of after TAA, but they likely wouldn't know about Esmé's wickedness, especially since The Daily Punctilio painted her as a kidnap victim rather than a kidnapper. Anyway, the invitations also exhibit knowledge Olaf could have picked up in TAA - they entice Nero with music critics, Remora with an all-you-can-eat banana buffet, and Mrs. Bass with a party in celebration of the metric system. Mrs. Bass's invitation is the only one that we know for sure told her to bring her valuables, though, but then again, Nero's is the only one we know for sure was sent by Esmé and her boyfriend; either way, it's a fair guess that they were all sent by Olaf and Esmé in order to seize the teachers' valuables and destroy them and any testimony they may have had to contribute to the trial.
The J.S. mentioned by Dewey and Hal: Justice Strauss, no contest - at least by Dewey, anyway. It's possible that Hal was thinking of a wicked female J.S., but that's pure conjecture.
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Post by jman on Apr 22, 2007 14:56:44 GMT -5
Thanks Dante! That's a very helpful summary; I agree with your points.
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Post by Quigley Quagmire on Apr 23, 2007 2:08:41 GMT -5
I think Dante's right, thanks for clearing that all up!
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Post by thistledown on Apr 29, 2007 11:49:39 GMT -5
THIS IS MOVED FROM A THREAD I JUST POSTED:
I'm relatively sure that this is a new topic.
I think JS is short for Julio Sham, the Captain of the Prospero. It would make sense because:
1. Justice Strauss did not seem to be very involved with VFD considering she lived next to Olaf and never realized he was evil.
2. Jerome Squalor knew who Olaf was, but he was so dependant and a follower that V.F.D. didn't really seem to trust him.
3. Jacques Snicket is dead, so it can't be him anyway.
4. One of the JS's in TPP might have been Lemony, but I think it would make a lot more sense if it was somebody with the actual initials of JS
5. The little ship on the napkin at the end of TPP had no purpose in TE. But I think that the Prospero sank and that JS--Juilo Sham--was on it. I don't know what he was supposed to be doing--maybe finding the Baudelaires?--but he got caught in the same storm that left them shipwrecked.
6. I've always sort of suspected that the Prospero stuff in the unauthorized autobiography was important. Sham's signature always struck me as important too, because you could kind of read it.
Anyway, I've been meaning to post this for forever, but it has always seemed to slip my mind. I really do hope it is a new theory. Comments? Suggestions on adding on to the theory?
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Post by jman on Jun 12, 2007 7:50:26 GMT -5
Cool. Thanks for responding.
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Post by thistledown on Jun 12, 2007 18:26:48 GMT -5
 You're welcome. This theory is really interesting!
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Post by klaus1000 on Jun 24, 2007 10:37:47 GMT -5
I would like to post my theory on the identity of JS: On page 87 of the TPP, I think that the JS Esme is talking about is Jerome Squalor. The JS on page 138 that Dewey and Hal are talking about is Justice Strauss. The JS on page 112-113 that Charles is talking about is Jerome, and the one Sir is talking about is Count Olaf or an unkwon male villain, because... he is using the name Julio Sham. As we know from TUA, all VFD members use the same disguise kit. In TWW, when Olaf is using the Boat Captain disguise, he calls himself Captain Julio Sham or Captain Sham. In TUA on page 110, when Jacques is disguised as a boat captain, he calls himself Captain S (Sham). So, it seems to me that someone has adopted this fake name at the Hotel Denoument. Does anyone know anything that supports or counters this theory? I would love to discuss it. this is put into the VFD disguise section in LS' Unauthorised Autobiography. It says: Boat Captain Disguise: eyepatch + wooden leg + hat (sailor) + [glow=red,2,300]business card[/glow]this means that each person would have to adopt the name Captain Sham because that's what it said on the business card. |
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Post by melon head. on Nov 20, 2007 23:34:25 GMT -5
When I got the LS Computer game, it showed scraps of paper and documents while the game was installing. There was a business card that Olaf used when posing as Captain Sham. It read: "Captain Sam's Boats", and there was a messy H scrawled between the S and the A. Was that just something that the movie put in because they felt like it? Or did Olaf actually steal the identity of a boat salesman?
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Post by Dante on Nov 21, 2007 4:24:07 GMT -5
That's a movie-only addition; in the series itself, there is another Captain Sham (or a "Captain S.," at any rate - U.A. p109-110), but he is also using the name as a false identity, so either they're both stealing someone else's identity, or, an option I consider more likely, it's just a stock name for the Boat Captain Disguise.
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Post by Kount Kelsey on Aug 31, 2008 18:21:52 GMT -5
the js esme is talking about is defeniltly jerome but what i dont uderstand is who is charles talking about i agree that sir was talking about julio sham and maybe sir was discussing it with charles and they were talking about the same j.s and this is a very interesting topic i love it!!! i do not own the series so sometimes my details may not be exact but i am hoping to buy it soon but i have read it from the library
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