The Official Beatrice Letters DISCUSSION thread

[Eye Of The Count]

Hmmmm.

"A poem about a story of two people........

written by the person in the story (in the play in the poem) who....

maybe about Lemony and Beatrice fot the two people.

i mean he has told about him and her in every book.

[maralenenok]

invaderkrag said:

The only weird thing is the subheader, as far as I can tell.
"A poem about a play about a story of two people who
written by the person in the story (in the play in the poem) who"

what words could feasibly fit in there that would make sense? I know the paper's ripped and all, but the double-line margin border doesn't leave much room for extra words.

I am somehow certain that it's supposed to say:

"A poem about a play about a story of two people who die.
written by the person in the story (in the play in the poem) who died."

It's Snicketesque, and, most importantly, short enough to fit in that tiny little corner.

[Gigi]

I was thinking almost the same thing, except I think the second line would end in lived instead. How could the person who died write the poem?

[Libitina]

A few notes--
-It's entirely possible that Beatrice #2 is only disguised as a ten-year-old, as I believe someone else mentioned. She never says that she actually is ten years old. The way she words it suggests that it is a disguise.
-If Beatrice #2 is, in fact, ten years old, then she would have been quite young when she meets the Baudelaires in The End, as her letters seem to take place some time afterwards.
-Is it possible that Beatrice #2's intentions aren't actually good? Could she be on the other side of the schism, and is lying to Lemony to get to them? If this is the case, perhaps Lemony is not answering her letters because he is aware of this, and is following the Baudelaires to try to protect them.
-Ooh, or maybe Lemony thinks that Beatrice #2 is Beatrice #1 (as he didn't realize that there were two Beatrice Baudelaires; he mentioned this in his letter at the end), and that led him to believe that Beatrice #1 had gotten married and such without him knowing. That would explain why some of his accounts of the Baudelaires' lives were inaccurate, according to Beatrice #2. Mneh, my head hurts too much right now from school to expand on that right now, but anyone else can feel free to do so.

[Gigi]

Can we define or agree on what we call the two Beatrices? Young/old, Number 1/Number 2, it's all a bit confusing.

We basically have two Beatrices:

• The Beatrice that Lemony Snicket writes the love letters to. (I propose we call her Beatrice 1.)
• The Beatrice that writes to Lemony Snicket asking for his help. (I propose we call her Beatrice 2.)
  

Can we agree on that?

[Brownie]

Yes.

I got TBL!!!

I think B1 may be the Baud's aunt, and B2 might be a cuz... B2's story is very confusing. I don't have a real theory to her... I don't think the sonnet is of significance only I agree with Gigi, Die/Lived just works. I can't tell when B2's letters take place... after ASOUE I think, but it my be during TE. This makes me excited about TE!!!

PS, I cried during L's letter about the proposal.

More: Can anyone tell me what all the initials in the book for people at the school are? Thanks.

[maralenenok]

dgrune said:

I was thinking almost the same thing, except I think the second line would end in lived instead. How could the person who died write the poem?

It says "the person in the story (in the play in the poem)", so, it's the fictional character who died.

Actually, it's a bit of an Ourobouros, isn't it? It's "A poem about a play about a story of two people who [die, for the sake of argument]." The sonnet is about the play Beatrice performed in, and the play is about a story of two people who die, one of whom is a baticeer. The baticeer does several things in the play, one of which is to write a sonnet, and one of which is to die.

So essentially, Beatrice would be playing her life before it happened. Or something. It's so circular, in that very beautiful but frustrating way Snicket has, and it makes my head hurt.

Man, this book is oblique. You can't say anything for sure about it.

[Libitina]

I think that a lot more will make sense after we read The End, as Beatrice 2 will almost definitely play a large role. If we understand more about her story, it'll all come into place then. Unfortunately, I don't think we'll be able to determine too much before then.

I'm still quite skeptical that Beatrice 1 is the Baudelaire mother. The style of writing Lemony uses in the telegram that most suggests she is the mother is rather different from the style of his other letters to Beatrice 1. I like the idea of her being an aunt to Violet, Klaus, and Sunny. Then again, since there is "some truth" to the theory that Beatrice is the Baudelaires' mother, perhaps she is the mother of only one of the children (Violet, as referred to in the telegram). Perhaps the other two children were the children of other volunteers who died?

[superorange]

BTW, BB can't be the Baud's mother. Their listed as seperate people in TGG somewhere.

And question 9 was the embodiment of Daniel Handler. I was crying, but he would throw in lines that would make me laugh through the tears.

[descartes]

superorange said:

BTW, BB can't be the Baud's mother. Their listed as seperate people in TGG somewhere.

And question 9 was the embodiment of Daniel Handler. I was crying, but he would throw in lines that would make me laugh through the tears.

But that was only one of the beatrices.

[superorange]

descartes said:

superorange said:

BTW, BB can't be the Baud's mother. Their listed as seperate people in TGG somewhere.

And question 9 was the embodiment of Daniel Handler. I was crying, but he would throw in lines that would make me laugh through the tears.

But that was only one of the beatrices.

It was the one Lemony loved, who is the only one old enough, it would seem.

[Dear Dairy]

OK, here are a couple of odd proposals:

1. Beatrice 2 must be the one who sank, because we know that Beatrice 1 died in a fire. UNLESS the Beatrice that sank refers to the boat pictured in the poster. Or both could be true - B2 was on a boat named Beatrice and both sank. Which leads to my second proposal:

2. In The End, Beatrice 2 is on a boat named Beatrice (as an FFP, or with the FFP). She saves the lives of Violet, Klaus, and Sunny when their boat is shipwrecked. They discover that they are related and have some adventures. Later in The End, the boat named Beatrice is also shipwrecked, B2 is separated from V, K, and S as a result, and she seeks LS's help in finding them again through letters which are printed in TBL.

[SnicketFires]

dgrune said:

I don't quite get what you mean. Do you mean you should read the correspondence in the order that the anagram letters go?

Yes, I do mean that. Although it doesn't really work out.

Hi, Efogoto! Nice to see you back!

[maralenenok]

orangeytwixet said:

I'm still quite skeptical that Beatrice 1 is the Baudelaire mother. The style of writing Lemony uses in the telegram that most suggests she is the mother is rather different from the style of his other letters to Beatrice 1.

Yes, but some things have changed. Time passed, they hadn't corresponded in a long time, and she's married to someone else. The letter being quite more distant than his others can be explained by all that. Plus, it's marked "LS to BB." That doesn't prove anything, but I think it's very telling nonetheless.

Personally, I'm convinced she's their mother, although my theory before sometime around The Grim Grotto was that their mother was actually Kit Snicket.

[RockSunner]

orangeytwixet said:

-Is it possible that Beatrice #2's intentions aren't actually good? Could she be on the other side of the schism, and is lying to Lemony to get to them? If this is the case, perhaps Lemony is not answering her letters because he is aware of this, and is following the Baudelaires to try to protect them.

Yes, I too wonder if Beatrice 2's intentions are good. She behaves like a stalker to Lemony. Is BB her real name, or an alias? If the latter, there are new possibilities:

1) A villain out to get the Baudelaires... reading the first books that come out, realizing Lemony has knowledge of the Baudelaires and trying to get him to talk.

2) One of the Baudelaires, separated from the others and trying to find them again. Sunny would be a good candidate, followed by Violet {in disguise as a ten-year-old).

If Lemony suspects a person of evil intent is using his books to trace the children, that would be a good reason to end the series..