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Post by Efogoto on Sept 6, 2006 2:24:49 GMT -5
My best rearrangement of "a wet viper perm" came to "I'm a pew pervert". Anyone else?
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Post by invaderkrag on Sept 6, 2006 2:29:26 GMT -5
I personally like "pewter vampire" and "preemptive war." Haha...
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Post by Zavi on Sept 6, 2006 4:53:42 GMT -5
My thoughts on the telegram: The pregnancy referred to is Violet. LS hopes that Beatrice (#1?) will have a girl "who will someday spend a few happy hours alone with someone she loves, up in the mountains where people of imagination and integrity can still gather, just as we did, so long ago." If that's not a reference to TSS and Quigley, I'll eat my hat. Once I saw that paragraph in the book, I immediately thought of Quigley, too. I'm still not sure of the rest of the theory at this point, though. That may change wiht further analysis, I'm probably going to go over the book a lot more today, because I have more free time.
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Post by RockSunner on Sept 6, 2006 9:55:44 GMT -5
I noticed that "brae man" has many of the letters in "Bertram". I anagrammed "Brae man" with "my co-star" and got "Bertram, a cosy man."
Could Beatrice and Bertram have co-starred in plays together, leading to their eventual marriage?
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Volunteer
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Now this is very interesting.
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Post by Volunteer on Sept 6, 2006 10:28:20 GMT -5
Okay, as to timeline of 2 BB's. Anyone tell me if this makes no sense, because this is how I saw it. BB1 is Violet, Klaus and Sunny's mother. That makes sense. that would corospond with the age of Lemony and the Snicket closeness to the Baudelaire family. Now, we have NO idea what BB2's relation to the Baudilaires is, or under what circumstances she wishes to find them. We do know that BB2 knows the 3 baudelaires well, and that she knew them well after "The End" because she refers to sunny's radio shows. She also refers to having been taught well by them. Now, at first I thought perhaps Klaus had a daughter far in the future, naming it after their mother. It would have to be Klaus, one would assume, to keep the Baudelaire name. But BB2 mentions having saved Klauses life shortly after the denumont's destruction. Now, either the hotel was rebuilt, she was refering to the under-pond hotel, or my theory is pure bunk. But who else could it be? Pure sibling is VERY gimicky, and cousin is to easy. BB2 just, i don't know, SEEMS next-generational.
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Post by katekor on Sept 6, 2006 10:35:05 GMT -5
I haven't read it yet, but from what you all are saying, I'm starting to believe that Beatrice is Violet, Klaus, and Sunny's sister and she's kind of like the Quigley of the family, but was taken away at a very young age or something. I need to get the book!
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Post by invaderkrag on Sept 6, 2006 11:24:04 GMT -5
I haven't read it yet, but from what you all are saying, I'm starting to believe that Beatrice is Violet, Klaus, and Sunny's sister and she's kind of like the Quigley of the family, but was taken away at a very young age or something. I need to get the book! Don't believe it before you've read it....I'm thoroughly unconvinced as per that particular theory. Let's see, what ARE the theories, anyway? THEORIES REGARDING THE YOUNGER BEATRICE: 1) Beatrice #2 is a long lost sibling of the Baudelaire trio, taken by VFD at a young age. 2) Beatrice #2 is the boat - there is only one Beatrice. 3) Beatrice #2 is some sort of other type of relative to the Baudelaires - a cousin, perhaps, of similar age. 4) Beatrice #2 is the daughter of one of the Baudelaires. 5) Beatrice #2 is the daughter of Beatrice #1. I've probably left one out, but as you can kinda see....the damned book is vague. Here's my view. I'd, personally, most align myself with either theory #3 or #5. However, since I'm also slightly into the "Beatrice #1 is the Baudelaire's mother" theory, I can't at the same time reject theory #1 and accept theory #5. So, personally, I'd be inclined to think Beatrice #2 is a cousin of the Baudelaires. For all we know, the older Beatrice might be their aunt. But having her be the Baudelaire mother would be an interesting twist - Snicket goes on about her marrying another man, a man who he suspects of possibly "not being one of us," (this being the Baudelaire father). Could put their father in amongst the villains.... I just don't know.
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Post by dragonprincess on Sept 6, 2006 11:29:38 GMT -5
i think that maybe little girl Beatrice might have been the daughter of Lemony and older Beatrice. I could be wrong because i didn't understand a lot it.
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Post by katysnicket on Sept 6, 2006 13:33:17 GMT -5
Maybe BB#2 was Sunny's twin? I don't know...I mean, the siblings have always been very much established as a trio. But I just thought, babies look a lot alike anyway, don't they, and if she was an identical twin of Sunny and Klaus and Violet only ever saw one at a time, they wouldn't know there were two, if their parents didn't want them to know. So maybe BB#2 WAS taken away at a young age to be trained by VFD. I do think BB#1 is their mum, but there is a lot of evidence in the other books to say otherwise... I'm really confused. Daniel Handler is a confusing man. I don't know how he even manages to keep up with himself.
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Edit: Also, in the telegram to Mrs. Baudelaire, Lemony lists the possibilities of children she could have- a daughter, then a son, then twins. To me, it just seems like he put it in that order because it's like, Violet, Klaus then twins...but I'm probably entirely wrong.
Another thing that's totally unrelated: in the letter to his editor at the end, Lemony doesn't sign his name (sorry if this has already been mentioned). What could that mean?
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Post by Zavi on Sept 6, 2006 13:52:10 GMT -5
I'm now convinced that neither Beatrices are the Baudelaire's mother from reading TBL. It just doesn't make sense to me. I could see the possibility of an aunt to the Baudelaires, from the Bertrand or Beatrice lion head in Olaf's house. There's probably a plothole in that theory, but I haven't noticed any yet.
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Post by TheManager on Sept 6, 2006 14:38:20 GMT -5
I don't know. It is so confusing! Beatrice one and two just has to be realted someway!
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Post by Skeleton Key on Sept 6, 2006 16:03:13 GMT -5
I can't believe it! Lemony called a bat a flying rodent! (At least, I think it was Lemony. It might've been a letter from someone else. *goes to check*)
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Post by Dear Dairy on Sept 6, 2006 16:52:43 GMT -5
If that's not a reference to TSS and Quigley, I'll eat my hat. I am going to hold you to that. No problem. My hat is made of chocolate cake. Messy to wear, but delicious to swear by. So, is everyone convinced that the co-star is Mr. Baudelaire, the dad of V, K and S? I'm not so sure. I also keep remembering the quote from DH, when asked if there was any truth to the rumor that Beatrice was the Bauds' mom. He said, "Some truth, but not total truth." That just sticks in my mind. It leads me to think that the Bauds' mom was named Beatrice, but she was not his Beatrice.
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Post by Eye Of The Count on Sept 6, 2006 17:16:05 GMT -5
Here are the anagrams for the words on one page only. Cave: A NICER A REC IN RACE IN ACRE IN CARE IN CAN IRE ANI REC AN RICE RAN ICE
Ocean:
BASKET SKA BET ASK BET TASK BE
you can actually put some together and they make sense
Omg! i figured out a new anagram!
BATICEER SANK
ONE OF THE BEATRICES WASA BATICEER
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Post by Gigi on Sept 6, 2006 17:24:30 GMT -5
Okay. It's a new anagram, but the result is the same.
I still want to get more meaning from the sonnet.
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