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Post by Elle on Jun 4, 2009 20:59:59 GMT -5
Oh crap, I forgot to go to the GSA party today... *irrelevant, sorry*
Okay, so of course you're born gay. Did you choose to be straight?? Why would anyone CHOOSE to be gay, to be discriminated against, to be unable to have children with their lover, to be UNABLE TO GET MARRIED in many states. No one wants that.
I agree with Mr Handler, "All over the world are particular people, and you could be happy with probably five or six of them, eight if you're bisexual and everyone is." ^-^ (Wow, I'm surprised I could find that so quickly, or at all, since I had no idea what scene that went with or what order the scenes went in because I haven't read Adverbs in over a year)
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Post by Salex_ on Jun 18, 2009 12:45:39 GMT -5
apparently arkansas passed a law making it illegal for unmarried couples to adopt children as an effort to keep gay couples from having children, which also makes it illegal for single people and unmarried straight couples to adopt children. (look up "Arkansas is dead to me" on youtube.) so this kidna shows how while some states are keen on making gay marriage legal, others are making strange laws like this. anyway, i'm totally for making gay marriage legal... i dont really see how it harms anybody and just because something isnt traditional doesnt mean it shouldnt be accepted.
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Post by Elle on Jun 18, 2009 16:55:38 GMT -5
It's not really that hard to keep gay couples from having children...
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Post by Triangle Eyes on Aug 12, 2009 22:18:53 GMT -5
I just read that Massachusetts is taking the federal government to court over DOMA in Commonwealth of Massachusetts v. United States Department of Health and Human Services. Yay!
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Post by Hooky on Feb 6, 2010 17:37:00 GMT -5
I don't support gay marriage. It's fine for these people to have their rights that come with living together (and also possibly be recognized as a "civil union"), but there's really no reason to recognize it as "marriage" if it's between two people of the same gender. Referring to both by the same term could lead to confusion. Let the gay people have the necessary rights to live together and be responsible for each other, but please, don't call it "marriage." It's not.
I also don't believe that people are born gay. I believe that gay people are the way they are due to a combination of the environment they have lived in and the choices they have made. To me homosexuality is immoral and will eventually lead to a moral decay in society, so it simply makes no sense to promote it. And allowing gay marriage is promoting it, even if it may not directly affect my life at first.
Reason for Editing: Deleted a sentence I didn't want to keep.
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Post by blakegriplingph on Feb 6, 2010 18:49:39 GMT -5
I agree with Hooky. I do have gay friends, but I often think of homosexuality as a consequence than an inevitable or unavoidable thing in a person's life. As CJ's brother in GTA San Andreas once said, "We're products of the environment,"
Gay people are made, not born, and you basically end up as one if you spend too much time with Barbie dolls or do something awkwardly. And I've also seen cases of gays marrying in a normal way, like a showbiz columnist whom I watched on TV.
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Post by Sophie-Senpi on Feb 6, 2010 19:41:03 GMT -5
I also don't believe that people are born gay. I believe that gay people are the way they are due to a combination of the environment they have lived in and the choices they have made. To me homosexuality is immoral and will eventually lead to a moral decay in society, so it simply makes no sense to promote it. And allowing gay marriage is promoting it, even if it may not directly affect my life at first. Reason for Editing: Deleted a sentence I didn't want to keep.i agree, homosexuality is unmoral, and nobody is born gay, it is a choice ( fun fact: did you know Louisa May Alcott (author of little women) was gay? really!) and God says its wrong, which counts triple
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Post by Triangle Eyes on Feb 6, 2010 20:51:00 GMT -5
Referring to both by the same term could lead to confusion. It might also lead to equality. Heaven forbid that happen. Marriage is a celebration of the love that people share between each other. The love that two men or two women share between each other is the same as the love that a man and woman share. The government must treat the relationships the same or else it will be discriminating. Why do you believe it is a choice, Ivey? Why would anyone ever choose to be treated as a second class citizen? That makes no sense. There really is no justification for it being a choice.
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Post by BSam on Feb 7, 2010 0:49:45 GMT -5
wow i never thought triangle eyes would be the one to be tolerant of those different from her.
or correct.
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Post by Liam R. Findlay on Feb 7, 2010 6:21:22 GMT -5
It's not wrong to love, whether with a man, woman or something in-between. A government that doesn't allow that love is quite medieval, especially in countries that execute for it. It's not always useful when some people in the world use religion as an excuse to go against it either- I'm sure religion was supposed to bring love, not destroy it.
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Post by Hooky on Feb 8, 2010 17:54:49 GMT -5
It's not wrong to love, whether with a man, woman or something in-between. A government that doesn't allow that love is quite medieval, especially in countries that execute for it. It's not always useful when some people in the world use religion as an excuse to go against it either- I'm sure religion was supposed to bring love, not destroy it. Just because I don't believe it is right doesn't mean I don't love or appreciate gay people. I am against the choice (the homosexual behavior) that these people have made, but that does not mean I don't like or love the person for who they are. I prefer to encourage people to make moral choices, but I also accept that people can do as they please. Also, our government doesn't punish any people for loving each other. I also support giving them rights related to responsibility for each other, etc. but I don't think it's necessary (or even proper) to refer to it as "marriage." If the gay community is really fighting for the rights that come with living together in a partnership, then would/should they care if it is referred to as marriage? Now you may say that such a word difference would make the situation between gay and non-gay people "inherently unequal," but would it really? In this case I don't think that that can be argued. The reason that "separate but equal" was a problem for blacks was because it was carried out in an unequal fashion. But it's much more difficult for this discrimination to happen as a result of a word difference. If we assume that the granting of these rights will include a provision that makes discrimination unlawful (which I think it already is, not sure on this one), then there won't be a problem with discrimination arising unless it violates the law. And while here my religious beliefs may not be taken seriously, I take them very seriously, and I would prefer not to experiment with clear-cut morals such as these. Anyone who does it is of course free to do so (current law does not prevent gay people from "being gay"), but I will not actively try to disgrace marriage by equating it with homosexual love. To me that is morally wrong.
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Post by Sophie-Senpi on Feb 8, 2010 18:15:11 GMT -5
btw what IS your religion? ^^ Referring to both by the same term could lead to confusion. Why do you believe it is a choice, Ivey? Why would anyone ever choose to be treated as a second class citizen? That makes no sense. There really is no justification for it being a choice. yes, being gay IS a choice. some people say falling in love isnt a choice either, but i have managed it, although i have been tempted from time to time. i haven't EVER fallen in love with ANYONE; out of pure self-control and will power. you just have to NOT WANT to be gay, and pray to God that he will help you, and i believe you can do it.
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Post by Hooky on Feb 9, 2010 17:30:37 GMT -5
btw what IS your religion? ^^ Latter-Day Saint (Mormon).
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Post by looneylad on Feb 9, 2010 17:57:01 GMT -5
I don't support gay marriage. It's fine for these people to have their rights that come with living together (and also possibly be recognized as a "civil union"), but there's really no reason to recognize it as "marriage" if it's between two people of the same gender. Referring to both by the same term could lead to confusion. Let the gay people have the necessary rights to live together and be responsible for each other, but please, don't call it "marriage." It's not. I also don't believe that people are born gay. I believe that gay people are the way they are due to a combination of the environment they have lived in and the choices they have made. To me homosexuality is immoral and will eventually lead to a moral decay in society, so it simply makes no sense to promote it. And allowing gay marriage is promoting it, even if it may not directly affect my life at first. Reason for Editing: Deleted a sentence I didn't want to keep.Why shouldn't gay people be married? How will it effect you in any way? If marriage is what they want, why should it be withheld from them? Homosexuality really isn't a choice. There are a few different theories on the direct cause, but the biggest ones are based on genetics and hormonal confusion. I agree with Hooky. I do have gay friends, but I often think of homosexuality as a consequence than an inevitable or unavoidable thing in a person's life. A consequence of what exactly? Thank God we can cite video game gangsters to support our arguments. You're a dumbass.
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Post by BSam on Feb 10, 2010 6:32:41 GMT -5
keep it civil. you're in the right, you shouldn't have to resort to insults.
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