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Post by Seymour Glass on Jun 25, 2010 10:57:33 GMT -5
Malcolm's a dick. I don't buy the whole Olivia is not Corrine's real mother storyline. It's not hard to believe that an ugly person can produce a beautiful child.
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Post by Very Funky Disco on Jun 25, 2010 12:15:59 GMT -5
I'm trying to set it in the Victorian era, although like Lemony Snicket, some events may be out of the time period. I wonder if the Victorian era even had middle class families. It seems like only three classes of people exist: mansion owners, mansion servants, and street slums. It also seems like most Victorian parents are quite aloof, I wonder how many actually do show affection for their children. I guess that means rock music doesn't exist in your universe, then. About what roughly do you think the year on the calendar would say, during the events of ASOUE?
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Post by Hermes on Jun 25, 2010 13:36:32 GMT -5
I wonder if the Victorian era even had middle class families. It seems like only three classes of people exist: mansion owners, mansion servants, and street slums. The Victorian era certainly had middle-class families. Obviously they weren't quite like the middle class today; many of them would have lived in rented prpoerties; on the other hand most of them had servants - though, at the bottom of the scale, it might be only one per household. (Agatha Christie: 'When I was a girl, I never thought I would be rich enough to own a car, or poor enough not to have servants'.) (Come to think of it, the fact that the Baudelaires seem not to have servants, despite being wealthy, is one reason for believing in quite a recent date for the series.) A nice picture of Victorian middle-class life is found in Grossmith, Diary of a Nobody. Also the kids in E. Nesbit's books tend to be middle class. There certainly was much more separation between parents and children. This didn't necessarily mean parents were uncaring, though they might be; it was just how things worked. One can also argue it gave children more freedom. Anyway, I am finding Beatrice's story really interesting, and hope to find out more.
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Post by Very Funky Disco on Jun 25, 2010 14:17:59 GMT -5
One thing that strikes me as kind of funny is how reading Lewis Carroll has gotten some people interested in the Victorian era, considering how he was pretty much against the Victorian mentality. I think a lot of people really like the aesthetics of the era, but not exactly the rigid social norms - which is probably why steampunk is quite popular.
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Post by L'enfant terrible on Jun 25, 2010 14:21:33 GMT -5
Whoops. I was writing Emma a reply and found out that I have more comments. @emma:Thank you for the comment. Yes you do sound a bit like me. ;D I would like to gather up those acorns of kind praises and comments and save them for the cold and comentless winters. The best thing to do when writing anything descriptive is either picture it, or look at a photo. Then I think, what does this remind me off? How can I say it in a more poetic way? It took years of practice to develop that, one gets wiser with age. I still remember me being seven years old and scribbling words about me saving the wildlife xD Impressive to see how I am now. Yay! I'm the first to use Maxwell as a inspiration! ;D He is a very nice...cruel inspiration xD @very Funky Disco: The date would be around 1857 or so. I haven't actually put much thought into the date. Just the era. I'm not quite certain when the events of ASoUE happened, which is why I haven't really thought of a date for my fic. Hermes: The usual quote of that era was "Children should be seen and not heard", so I used that saying to base the parents. Beatrice's Mother does care about her though, which is hard to see but the crying means she cares. And thank you I hope to post the next chapter by the next week. Thank you all! You have no idea how long I've been waiting for this to happen!
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Post by Very Funky Disco on Jun 25, 2010 20:36:40 GMT -5
It seems like the main difference between Beatrice's father and Maxwell - is that Maxwell does seem to, deep down inside, love Jerome. He just doesn't know how to show it. Beatrice's father, on the other hand, appears to have white hot hatred for Beatrice. Of course, feel free to correct me - if I'm wrong.
I was thinking, if you set the events of the diary in 1857 - it kind of would be fascinating, if you set the events of the series in the 1880s. That way, your ficverse would occur about a century before mine. I think the mid-1870s could also work, then it would occur about a century before freebird's. Indeed, it is fascinating to compare.
It sort of reminds me of the situation with Girl Genius. There is sort of a specific year as to when the events take place, but it's kept mysterious as to whether it occurs in the 19th Century or the 20th Century.
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Post by L'enfant terrible on Jun 26, 2010 4:57:41 GMT -5
You're going to see as the story goes on if you're right or wrong about Beatrice's Father. Alright then, I'll set it in the 1880s, I'll try to also show that it is that year somehow.
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Post by Emma “Emmz” Squalor on Jun 26, 2010 8:54:05 GMT -5
Malcolm's a dick. I don't buy the whole Olivia is not Corrine's real mother storyline. It's not hard to believe that an ugly person can produce a beautiful child. True. Corrine could just as easily have inherited her looks from her father the same way Christopher did from his. I do have a soft spot for Alicia, though - it absolutely broke my heart when I found out she and Garland were going to die. Of course, it probably wouldn't have affected me so much if VC hadn't made them such an impossibly cute couple. XD @emma:Thank you for the comment. Yes you do sound a bit like me. ;D I would like to gather up those acorns of kind praises and comments and save them for the cold and comentless winters. That is such a lovely way of putting it! Sometimes when I come across a particularly nice comment or even just a nice thing someone says to me online, I'll copy and paste it into a document folder so that I can look back on it any time I like. Because I find it a bit difficult to picture things, looking at a photo seems like the best road to take. You've really made it clear in your stories that you've had a lot of practice in your descriptions and overall writing. I have a lot of faith in the idea that you're going to be a famous author one day, and you can definitely count on me to buy your books - which I hope you'll autograph for me. ^_^ I still have stories I wrote when I was fourteen/fifteen; even though I haven't looked at those particular ones in years, I'm sure that it would be pretty funny to compare the differences between the two. ;D Aww, I'm flattered! Never did it occur to me that Maxwell would inspire someone else's character, but I'm glad you've proven me wrong. Hmm...how about writing the date at the top of each journal entry?
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Post by L'enfant terrible on Jun 26, 2010 11:29:45 GMT -5
That is such a lovely way of putting it! Sometimes when I come across a particularly nice comment or even just a nice thing someone says to me online, I'll copy and paste it into a document folder so that I can look back on it any time I like. That is a great idea, I also save my friends messages. In case I miss them I just read the messages and it makes my smile. You've really made it clear in your stories that you've had a lot of practice in your descriptions and overall writing. I have a lot of faith in the idea that you're going to be a famous author one day, and you can definitely count on me to buy your books - which I hope you'll autograph for me. ^_^ Wow! I always thought of being an author as my job, but to have a fan before I start it! I am...flattered isn't a strong enough word how I feel! Let me say it this way...my soul is blushing from your compliment. Hope you understand that it's not just a normal blush but a much deeper one. ^_^ (it sounds really cheesy though xD). Hmm...how about writing the date at the top of each journal entry? I did think of doing that at first, I just wasn't sure on a date. I think I'll edit the two chapters and add the dates in a bit later.
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Post by Emma “Emmz” Squalor on Jun 26, 2010 15:23:34 GMT -5
That is a great idea, I also save my friends messages. In case I miss them I just read the messages and it makes my smile. Thank you, and I'm so happy you think so - I have nearly every PM sent to me in my inbox on here. And you're absolutely right that they come in handy for when you need cheering up. I have other friends who are fanfic writers I'm fans of as well. And just because you aren't a 'published' author doesn't mean you aren't an author, you know? Anyway, it makes me so happy to know that my compliment moved you so much, and no way is your response cheesy. You have such a poetic way of speaking, and it's wonderful that you aren't afraid to express it. ^_^ By all means, take your time. I've gone back and edited details after I'd already posted a chapter, too (including the idea of Lemony being Violet's birth father in In the Shadows).
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Post by L'enfant terrible on Jun 27, 2010 10:36:10 GMT -5
Sometimes really get descriptions are very cheesy. It is very nice to have a fan, I am also your fan if you plan on publishing any books. These days though, people can post stories online, like now, which is a good practice to actually publishing the real deals.
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Post by Very Funky Disco on Jun 27, 2010 13:51:56 GMT -5
If I were Beatrice, I wouldn't want her parents' love. It's a little easier to think that, when it comes to people who you don't expect to care about you - like some stranger on the street, or your worst school nemesis. When it comes to people who are supposed to care about you, though - that would be harder to accept. Although, come to think of it, I would maybe suggest running off with Emily. Then if her parents demanded that she come back home, I would sarcastically respond with, "Oh, right, because you love me and care for me with all your heart."
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Post by Seymour Glass on Jun 27, 2010 13:52:42 GMT -5
If Beatrice's father never cared, then she probably wouldn't expect him to.
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Post by Emma “Emmz” Squalor on Jun 27, 2010 17:55:58 GMT -5
Sometimes really get descriptions are very cheesy. True, and I like that way of putting it. Aww, thank you - it fills me with joy to know I'll have a fan in you if I ever publish anything. If that ever happens, I'll most certainly let you know.
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