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Post by B. on Nov 10, 2015 11:00:54 GMT -5
Nowadays everyone seems to have ADD or ADHD and not just "a short attention span", but I guess the latter doesn't feel special enough. deep if you mean deep as in deeply potato ing awful, then yeah, that's about right.
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Post by Kit's tits kick ticks on Nov 10, 2015 11:47:59 GMT -5
I think in some cases that is true, but the point is not that it sounds less special but that it's a better excuse for not trying to change or for parents to give their children medicine instead of teaching them how to behave.
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Post by Hermes on Nov 10, 2015 12:33:33 GMT -5
Well, Anka, I think you should bear in mind that you do have a diagnosed condition, and, if I understand things correctly, having this diagnosis has made it easier for you to cope with things.
More generally, I agree that people are sometimes too ready to label things as disorders, but the reason I find this problematic is not that it makes people feel special, or that it saves them the trouble of changing, but that it turns them into problems that need to be cured, instead of just recognising that people are different.
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Post by Poe's Coats Host Toast on Nov 10, 2015 13:41:46 GMT -5
yea i miss the old days when we didn't have none of these """clincally diagnosed""" """"mental issues"""" Nice sarcasm. 'We' had those clinical diagnoses back in the old days as well, buddy, and they included "mental issues" like hysteria and melancholia in women. I'm definitely not in denial about people having disorders, but I am of the opinion that, like Hermes says, people in white coats are too ready to stuff people with medicaments. Sometimes people just have personality traits that can be changed. Now I obviously can't know whether pandora does have ADHD for sure, but if she does, then my post about chess is actually a genuine compliment. Even though I did make it just to gently bust some balls (which pandora does every now and again to me as well, without my resorting to "ickle off"s).
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Post by Charles Vane on Nov 10, 2015 16:00:36 GMT -5
i try to talk to you as little as possible so i doubt i do that and we do know i have adhd bc i just told you and i dont have to do anything to prove its genuine to you. id much rather not be ~special~ and just have a short attention span and not something that was literally hell for me to deal with undiagnosed for years but i do have adhd and im not about hiding it but its very clear that you're an asshole if you respond the way you do when someone says they have a mental condition. im not saying that bc youre terry and im pandora, im saying that bc you came off as an insensitive jackass.
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Post by Charles Vane on Nov 10, 2015 16:07:10 GMT -5
when someone says they have adhd and immediately people bring up how people fake it and how some people are lying is like why people think its not a big deal or made up and salsa like that is why people like me don't get treated until we're adults and if people just had less weird opinions about mental illness then there would be less stigma and more people could actually get treated for mental illness. i mean what concern is it of yours if ~some people~ might not actually have adhd? believe me i know about how people lie about adhd bc it makes it much harder for me to get the medicine i need but why that is relevant at all when i bring up in the context of myself is beyond me.
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Post by Charles Vane on Nov 10, 2015 16:07:51 GMT -5
thats like saying oh i have cancer and someone saying oh you know these days so many people say they have cancer just to get sympathy.
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Post by Poe's Coats Host Toast on Nov 10, 2015 16:15:05 GMT -5
Oh man, calm down, 'we' didn't all know, bc I didn't, and I just said that I'm in no position to judge, so you very well might have that disorder. I happen to have had people close to me have cancer and diagnosed with ADHD, and there is a tendency to overdiagnose people with ADHD. My opinion on the latter has nothing to do with you.
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Post by Charles Vane on Nov 10, 2015 16:20:17 GMT -5
also fyi, there is no cure for adhd. taking medication doesn't make it magically go away, it just makes it easier to deal with. im not sure that its not possible for someone to only need medication and that would be it, maybe if it doesn't bother them that much or something, but i dont know of anyone thats like that.
so as to what you're saying anka, its important to diagnose adhd not to give someone medication, that can be part of a treatment, but more to learn about how to manage it. you still have to learn to behave, go to school, go to work, whatever, but the way you would do that with adhd is different from how others would. IT IS NOT AN EXCUSE FOR ANYTHING, it's an explanation that can help a person and others(teachers, parents, partners, whatever) deal with adhd if they are willing to understand it.
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Post by Charles Vane on Nov 10, 2015 16:25:38 GMT -5
Oh man, calm down, 'we' didn't all know, bc I didn't, and I just said that I'm in no position to judge, so you very well might have that disorder. I happen to have had people close to me have cancer and diagnosed with ADHD, and there is a tendency to overdiagnose people with ADHD. My opinion on the latter has nothing to do with you. no im saying we do know i have adhd because i said i did. i don't know why that's a statement that can't be taken at face value. there's no might about it. im sorry a clinical diagnosis doesn't work for you bc people can be over diagnosed, but in this situation its not about ~people~. im talking about me, a person with adhd. you can think whatever you want obviously but your opinion on the latter is coloring how you're talking to me and i can point that out.
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Post by Charles Vane on Nov 10, 2015 16:26:54 GMT -5
and telling me to calm down is something that always makes me want to do the exact opposite because im a hysterical woman and i just have so many feelings.
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Post by Poe's Coats Host Toast on Nov 10, 2015 16:29:54 GMT -5
Well it's been nice drama queening with you
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Post by penne on Nov 10, 2015 16:59:56 GMT -5
My opinion on the latter has nothing to do with you. cool but it wasn't appropriate for you to voice that opinion as a response to pandora's saying she has adhd because it very heavily implies you doubt she has adhd and that's really insensitive even if a lot of ppl are wrongly diagnosed, it's not your place to doubt everyone who says they suffer from this or any other mental health condition, especially since you know some actually do for real. just makes it sound like you don't think it exists which is just a really harmful opinion to have
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Post by Poe's Coats Host Toast on Nov 10, 2015 17:52:57 GMT -5
I even said I didn't deny its existence. And I don't doubt the many people who have been told they have ADHD, but I doubt the people who told them so, since the diagnosis is by nature subjective (The doctors record the according symptoms in the patients rarely, if ever, first-hand). Of course, this mostly just applies to the lighter cases. The heavier the symptoms, the more likely medicaments like adderall or therapy will help. But you gotta remember that doctors also want to get paid (and have contracts with drug companies).
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Post by Charlie on Nov 10, 2015 18:18:42 GMT -5
Two twentysomethings live next-door to one another, and constantly bicker and all of the other people on the street join in too and stuff. One of the twentysomethings is like this close to moving to a new neighbourhood and just regularly mailing her other neighbours on the street, when the other one decides to just be really pleasant and stop causing her trouble. They never talk to one another again, and everyone is much happier bc of this.
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