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Post by Reba on Jan 21, 2016 7:56:42 GMT -5
the whaling details are v important and also fun and interesting if you started reading Moby Dick at least half expecting a book about whaling
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Post by soufflé on Jan 21, 2016 13:23:22 GMT -5
Never actually read Jane Austen. Thought to kill a mockingbird was pretty good. Liked animal farm. 1984 was fine. Dickens is pretty good. John Steinbeck = ew Narnia rocked my socks Lord of the flies was a heaping pile of bullsalsa And I'm indifferent to the others
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Post by Reba on Jan 21, 2016 13:45:30 GMT -5
i don't actually HATE any of them, but they definitely all suck. except for Herman Melville of course, tacked on because i felt i was a bit short. of them all i think Lee or Steinbeck is the worst.
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Post by Poe's Coats Host Toast on Jan 21, 2016 15:30:20 GMT -5
Mockingbird might be overrated, but it's definitely a nice coming-of-age story. 1984 and Animal Farm absolutely deserve their praise imo. And yeah, Narnia rocked my socks as a kid, too.
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Post by Reba on Jan 21, 2016 16:24:56 GMT -5
a good coming of age story usually involves the person in question figuring things out for themselves, not taking lesson after lesson from old farts. orwell has some of the most unrelentingly hamfisted allegories of all time and has mediocre writing chops. narnia is just stoopid
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Post by penne on Jan 21, 2016 17:13:34 GMT -5
can i just say you actually sound super douchey when you salsa on celebrated authors/artists' work
no offense, it's just that i've seen you do it so many times
i mean, i get that you don't like it, but when you try to justify it saying things like "orwell's writing chops are mediocre" it's just like well let me see yr fuking writing chops then m8
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Post by penne on Jan 21, 2016 17:19:46 GMT -5
p.s: sorry : ( i want to be your buddy but that always bothers me so i had to say something
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Post by Linda Rhaldeen on Jan 21, 2016 17:38:28 GMT -5
Seriously. In that other thread I said you hate both because hating on things that other people say that they like is 95% of what you do, Bandit. It gets old fast.
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Post by soufflé on Jan 21, 2016 17:42:31 GMT -5
I get you don't like them but that doesn't mean everything about them is terrible
I mean I find John Steinbeck woefully uninteresting and not a great writer, but what he had to say was kind of important so I can't claim he's totally insignificant
But lord of the flies sucked. Like he could have accomplished that in 10 pages but instead he made it 100 pages
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Post by Poe's Coats Host Toast on Jan 21, 2016 18:07:41 GMT -5
a good coming of age story usually involves the person in question figuring things out for themselves, not taking lesson after lesson from old farts. orwell has some of the most unrelentingly hamfisted allegories of all time and has mediocre writing chops. narnia is just stoopid like, maybe its u whos stoopid or maybe diff writers tickle different people's fancies. take your pick
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Post by Reba on Jan 21, 2016 18:20:13 GMT -5
damn okay
it's a lot easier to be very bitter about "celebrated" literature that i don't like because it's usually less "celebrated" and more "automatically sacred." (on our Must Read Books list, if somebody added a book and wrote "because DUH!" as the explanation) if i pick a random book from the library and it turns out to be bad, i just move on, but if i read a "classic" that i've been hearing about all my life and it turns out to be bad, that can make me pretty angry. especially since i'm going to remember reading a bad book every time someone talks about it being an undisputed classic.
that doesn't mean i refuse to believe a book was important or something, like i can respect george orwell or jrr tolkien for basically creating new genres, but i also think tolkien was a much better linguist/worldbuilder than writer and orwell was much more concerned with fighting communism than writing interesting prose.
really at the end of the day, art is art and i am absolutely going to judge you if you like things that i have irredeemably bad opinions of, because it's unavoidable and it's the most important part of who we are. sorry if my criticism is offensive to you or too over-the-top at times, i can't help it. i don't want to criticize celebrated art with continuous asides about how it is, in fact, celebrated. i want to establish my opinions vividly and as i truly feel them
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Post by penne on Jan 21, 2016 19:25:08 GMT -5
the thing for me tho is how you always state your (really controversial) opinions as if they were absolute truths. celebrated art is celebrated for a reason, and when you go against these huge groups of people who say x is great, i expect you to at least understand/subtly acknowledge that your pov is subjective
f.ex. instead of saying "orwell's writing is mediocre", saying "i'm not a fan of his writing because of this and that"
[edit: or like in that post you just wrote "when i read a 'classic' and it turns out to be bad". what i mean is that just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's bad you know?]
idk that's just how i feel, you don't have to change the way you act obvi and i get your point too, it just upsets me a little when you do that and i thought i'd let you know
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Post by Reba on Jan 21, 2016 19:47:14 GMT -5
well, with any discussion where it's pretty much established that there are no absolute truths, i don't think about clarifying statements as opinions. i can see, though, in an exchange like "i like ____" "nah, ____ is dumb" i might be giving off the impression that i'm "correcting" the other person instead of just disagreeing. so, my bad
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Post by Isadora Is a Door on Jan 22, 2016 3:54:02 GMT -5
really at the end of the day, art is art and i am absolutely going to judge you if you like things that i have irredeemably bad opinions of, because it's unavoidable and it's the most important part of who we are. sorry if my criticism is offensive to you or too over-the-top at times, i can't help it. i don't want to criticize celebrated art with continuous asides about how it is, in fact, celebrated. i want to establish my opinions vividly and as i truly feel them Ha, if i judged everyone who liked things that i have irredeemably bad opinions of, i would like no other humans.
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Post by Charlie on Jan 22, 2016 4:08:54 GMT -5
Hating on things that other people say that they like is 95% of what you do, Bandit. It gets old fast. tbh idk if Bandit will ever get old
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