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Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on Jul 10, 2007 14:52:30 GMT -5
Now personally I thought this theory was absolute garbage when an old 667er told it to me but there are a few points that raise questions. How on Earth did McGonogall know it was Ginny who was taken into the chamber? There's no way in the brief minutes between that happening and the staff meeting that McGonogall had a chance to do a head count of every female student in the building. McGonogall, powerful wizard obviously, was somehow unable to stop a dementor from administering a kiss on Crouch Junior right under her nose? She did seem a bit like Scrimgeour trying to pry into Harry and Dumbledore's secret once she became headmistress. Link: www.mugglenet.com/editorials/editorials/edit-trumanl01.shtmlDiscuss.
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Post by ineedyourhelp on Jul 10, 2007 16:36:42 GMT -5
I just read the editorial and i find it very interesting. And it all makes sense once you think about it.
The part of HBP when McGonagall asks Harry what he and Dumbledore were up to does seem kind of fishy, ecspecially because she was angry that he wouldn't tell her.
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Post by PJ on Jul 10, 2007 19:07:33 GMT -5
As with most things, we can't say for sure until we read DH. But I think this theory is valid. If there IS a spy, then McGonagal is the most likely choice. It's true, what's been said. There's no conclusive evidence AGAINST her. But on the other hand, there isn't really any evidence that proves she's not a spy, either.
The most damning bit, I think, is the Dementor. It just seems....so convenient. Oh, sure, she's angry when Harry refuses to tell her about what he and Dumbledore have been up to, but, hey, Dumbledore has just DIED. People are allowed to act a little out of character.
Very interesting theory. It's certainly possible. I'm somewhat prepared, now, if it happens.
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Post by Shelly on Jul 10, 2007 19:53:06 GMT -5
This theory is very thought out, what with all the clues (when you look at them closely, they do fit) and McGonagall now seems to be in the right place at the right time (I'm referring to her now being Headmistress of the school - how much power is there? It could be swayed to Voldemort).
If it happens, I now wouldn't be very surprised.
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Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on Jul 11, 2007 14:40:50 GMT -5
I'd be surprised but at least now the idea is there so I wouldn't be blown entirely out of the water.
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Post by sunnygal on Jul 11, 2007 19:26:54 GMT -5
wow it all adds up. and that would be a HUGE plot twist if it is true. but what would she do?
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Post by Dear Dairy on Jul 11, 2007 20:36:30 GMT -5
I thought this theory was outrageous at first, but the writer makes a good argument regarding the concept of red herrings. Every book in this series has a central character that is not who he/she appears to be. It would be consistent, then, to have one character who, throughout the series, is not who he/she appears to be.
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Post by ineedyourhelp on Jul 12, 2007 13:04:38 GMT -5
wow it all adds up. and that would be a HUGE plot twist if it is true. but what would she do? That's a good question. I think that Harry will put his trust in her, but she will lead him straight to Voldemort or something. That's the only thing I can think of.
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Post by Dismay on Jul 12, 2007 16:55:16 GMT -5
At first I went "No Way! She's my favorite character!" Seriously. Then I just read the article. I makes some sense. SOME sense. It was a well written article. But I disagree about it.
*Warning- strong, heavily biased opinion ahead*
But unfortunately, I don't think the author planned it- I can't see that she could do it. I've kind of lost faith in her writing ability recently. I was reading another book- a book in which its climax was identical to the climax in the fourth Harry Potter book. Guess what? It was written FOUR YEARS before the fourth book was published. It takes about a year to write the book, a year to publish it... so how did that happen? I mean it even included a phoenix in the book. And then in the sixth book, there is a passage almost word for word from The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe. I seriously have looke dover it multiple times. Compare the scene where Aslan tells the girls to go/ stay when he tells them to. Then read what Dumbledore tells Harry as they are about to leave to go to the cave. I mean sure, I love this other series that has deep echoes from the Pern, Mercedes Lackey, and other dragon books, but those are small ideas. Small ideas can be used. Just not entire passages. I just can't see McGonogall being a spy. She maybe couldn't have stopped the dementor's kiss because of fear? No happy memory? She was asleep (though I hardly doubt it)? She didn't care what Dumbledore said, but was more influenced by what her gut said (<that's the one I'm betting on)? Maybe Ginny was in her class, and didn't see her, so asked a number of students to ask other teachers if they had seen her, even going into the common room? Isn't that what teachers typically do, especially when it's a school the student can't exactly leave? McGonnogall also seems like a strict disciplinarian- stick to the rules, and everything will be fine. Maybe she thought Dumbledore was somehow "breaking the rules" when he and Harry left the night he died. Or that Harry owed her an explanation because she was the one in charge- that she had to tell someone because she didn't want him to get in trouble.
*Rant/ strong bias over*
So most of me says it's not true, but there is still a part that says it could be. So part of be
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Post by sunnygal on Jul 12, 2007 19:48:46 GMT -5
actually i don't think she is a spy because then Voldemort would know A LOT more stuff about Dulmbledore and Harry. and if he already had a spy at Hogwarts why would he have needed Barty Crouch Jr. to be there in GoF?
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Post by ineedyourhelp on Jul 12, 2007 21:15:19 GMT -5
Maybe so she wouldn't blow her cover, or make sure that he doesn't blow his?
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Post by Dear Dairy on Jul 13, 2007 18:33:45 GMT -5
If Mac is a spy, it will be the best-hidden plot surprise ever, and I'll have to re-read the whole series with that in mind to see if it really fits.
In regard to Mac questioning Harry about where he and DD went that night: I think her questions are perfectly natural. Think about a real-world situation where someone has died in an untimely way. Those close to that person want to know all the details about where they had been, what they had been doing, in order to make sense of the death in their own minds. I think she was reacting as anyone would in the position of Dumbeldore's friend / Order of the Phoenix memeber / suddenly new headmistress / head of Gryffindor House. She'd want to have all the answers she could about his death as soon as possible in case she needed to make decisions about actions to be taken.
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Post by Dismay on Jul 13, 2007 19:56:28 GMT -5
I agree. Dumbledore was one of her closest friends, from what we've seen. Wouldn't she want to know what happened to him? I also just thought of something else... it was about her being there when Harry was delivered to Four Privet Drive. Maybe, because she knew of the existance of Mrs. Figg (or just had another idea), had an idea about where Harry should go, and, not trusting Dumbledore, decided to keep a watch on the place, feeling that Harry should be with wizards, not Muggles. I think she even said something like that in the first book.
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Post by thistledown on Jul 13, 2007 22:45:05 GMT -5
I think that is a brilliant theory...and it might be true, because it all seems to make sense.
Except for the part about Snape.
I firmly believe that Snape is evil. In a recent interview with Rowling, she was asked how she would respond to people who believed that Snape was innocent. And she said that she thought she had made it pretty clear that he was bad. I mean, she did not say outright that Snape was evil, but she pretty much heavily hinted it!
McGonagall would fit the bill of a traitor, definitely. And yes, that dementor bit won me over the most. I can't say it for certain, of course, but I really wouldn't be surprised if she did turn out to be a double agent.
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Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on Jul 14, 2007 20:42:30 GMT -5
Dismay, how do you contend that with the dementor's kiss mcgonogall let it happen because she followed her gut? She was clearly outraged that Fudge had ordered such a thing to happen.
These could just be plotholes that the writer used to form a conspiracy theory, but you must admit that some of them make sense.
How did JK Rowling heavily imply that Snape was evil? I'll need dates and quotes before I believe that. I used to believe he was evil but now I'm leaning toward the "he's good" camp.
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