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Post by PJ on Jul 23, 2007 23:02:58 GMT -5
The way I see it, the connection between Harry and Voldemort allowed Harry to come back. That is to say, the fact that Harry's blood was coursing through Voldemort's veins, and with it, his mother's magical protection acted as a sort of Horcrux for Harry. Hence, he died, but was able to come back. Voldemort fainted, I think, because of this connection with Harry.
So Voldemort was a sort of Good Horcrux for Harry, just as Harry was a Bad Horcrux for Voldemort. When Voldemort killed him, the Bad Horcrux was eliminated, while the Good Horcrux, in Voldemort, meant that Harry could come back.
I think the connections between the two are amazing. For one, Harry has got part of Voldemort's soul in him. For another, Voldemort has Harry's (mother-death-magic enhanced) blood coursing through his veins, and finally, their wands are brothers, which formed another connection between the two after their duel in GoF.
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Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on Jul 23, 2007 23:15:27 GMT -5
I thoroughly enjoyed the connection, everything from the insights on Voldemort to Harry being resurrected. And Voldemort scampering around trying to find the elder wand for months.
I'll never forget Voldemort right after the Gringotts raid screaming and panicking and killing anyone within reach.
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Post by sushi on Jul 27, 2007 4:41:24 GMT -5
AND, Shruti - once the cage was gone, Neville was free to kill Nagini with Gryffindor's sword, which he got from the Sorting Hat. As it turns out, Voldemort was not very smart. He made it possible for Neville to get the sword by bringing the Hat into the courtyard. Sorry to backtrack the conversation a bit, but i was wondering how Neville was able to pull Griffindor's sword out of the Sorting Hat if Griphook had stolen it from them before at Gringott's... excuse me if i missed something..
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Post by Wizz on Jul 27, 2007 13:15:58 GMT -5
Yeah, thats exactly what i was wondering. The fake was in gringotts, and the real on was left behind with Griphook while they escaped.
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Post by ineedyourhelp on Jul 27, 2007 13:51:43 GMT -5
Maybe in every other person except Harry, going back means becoming a ghost.
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Post by Wizz on Jul 27, 2007 14:00:40 GMT -5
True point there.
That would mean people who are scared of going on would just go back but not really have a soul.
Thats why all the stronger/braver people didn't really come back. Only the weaker or sympathetic people came back as Ghosts.
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"-We will learn the exact reason why some people become ghosts when they die and others do not."
There we go, i got that from mugglenet and you can more or less figure out why some people come back as Ghosts. Harry had the choice of which soul he wanted it to kill, so basically he could go back in full form because he only wanted to kick out Voldemorts soul.
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Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on Jul 27, 2007 20:55:32 GMT -5
The sword of Gryffindor comes out of the hat to worthy Gryffindors. It doesn't matter where it is, it just comes, it's something like when Regulus ordered Kreacher to come home. It didn't matter that Kreacher was pretty much dying, he just came.
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Post by sushi on Jul 28, 2007 5:35:27 GMT -5
The sword of Gryffindor comes out of the hat to worthy Gryffindors. It doesn't matter where it is, it just comes, it's something like when Regulus ordered Kreacher to come home. It didn't matter that Kreacher was pretty much dying, he just came. ok...that's what i thought at first but i wasn't sure...because i thought, if someone was holding the sword at that time, (like Griphook) would it just disapparate or disappear from their hands? Would a worthy Ravenclaw have been able to pull the lost diadem from the hat as well then??
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Post by Wizz on Jul 28, 2007 8:53:55 GMT -5
Nope...the Hat belonged to Godric Griffindor, therefor it only helps a Griffindor in need.
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Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on Jul 28, 2007 20:08:30 GMT -5
Probably. But I don't know if any Ravenclaw would find themself in such a situation because it's gryffindors that are brave and get themselves into sticky situations that require such a powerful magical artifact.
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Post by PJ on Jul 29, 2007 2:12:35 GMT -5
Yeah. If they're in need, and they're brave, they get a sword. What use is a diadem that makes you smarter when you're in need?
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Post by sushi on Jul 29, 2007 3:56:37 GMT -5
yeah...i guess that would be pretty useless
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Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on Jul 29, 2007 15:39:13 GMT -5
Increasing wisdom and intelligence could help, just probably not very quickly.
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Post by sushi on Jul 30, 2007 4:33:09 GMT -5
intelligence would probably make things worse when you are in a situation of need because you would know what it was you needed but would still jot be able to get it..
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Post by slither on Aug 5, 2007 13:01:48 GMT -5
The way I thought of it was that the Voldemort baby at King's Cross was the bit of Voldemort that was in Harry, not the original Voldemort that had cast the killing curse on him. Harry went to King's Cross cause there was two souls in him that could be killed, and since there was only one curse, only one of them could have died. Dumbledore knew that someone like this would happen, but not what exactly, that's why he didn't know they were at King's Cross. Just like Harry had wished for clothes and got robes, I think he wished for an explanation and got Dumbledore. That last bit I'm not too sure of, and have nothing to back it up with, but it makes the most sense to me. I think that if Harry had decided to go on, the bit of Voldemort's soul would have stayed and Harry's body would have either become a lifeless horocrux or Harry's body would have actually turned into a Harry shaped Voldemort. By Harry's decision to go back, the baby Voldemort's soul was killed and remained in King's Cross or disappeared or something.
Kind of random, but do you think that in death, Voldemort's soul reunited or if it's still in pieces? If you used the resurrection stone for Voldemort, what would happen?
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