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Post by gothicarchiesfan on Aug 8, 2020 21:43:42 GMT -5
Happy Birthday, Hermes! You were one of the first people who ever talked to me, years back when I was did guest posts on here and I've never forgotten how kind you were.
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Post by gothicarchiesfan on Aug 8, 2020 13:05:11 GMT -5
I would love to see ASoUE become the kind of thing that just gets perpetually remade. Like the Chronicles of Narnia. Count Olaf especially seems like the kind of role that a variety of people would want to try and put their own spin on. Personally, I think a limited series, single season animated adaptation would be cool to see. I've always thought that ASOUE and ATWQ were the kind of stories that were gift wrapped for some kind of audio dramatization. Maybe they could even bring in Daniel Handler to adapt the books himself and incorporate some of the songs he wrote the unmade musical. The BBC's radio department make tons of them every year, a lot of them even being non-British novels with some big names (both in the UK and the US) attached as actors. I'm actually kind of shocked it hasn't happened already apart from that one-off cd from 2004.
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Post by gothicarchiesfan on Aug 8, 2020 4:22:06 GMT -5
I do feel the stronger ones are all in the middle of the sequence, yes; the ones with a more sinister aesthetic. With that said, in retrospect I'm not really sure what this motif of the Baudelaires standing on this tiny rocky outcropping in the middle of the ocean is meant to be, especially with the bizarrely powerful lens flare. I'm not sure I understand what is being represented, where these images are coming from or what they signify. And yet somehow the most unsettling is #8, with all three Baudelaires grinning madly while Olaf is nowhere to be seen. The rocky outcropping seems to have been a part of the Briny Beach set and judging by the fact that it appears in other photos with the actors, I'm guessing there might have been some kind of photoshoot on it.
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Post by gothicarchiesfan on Aug 8, 2020 4:21:41 GMT -5
Someone sent me a leaked photo of the poster.
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Post by gothicarchiesfan on Aug 7, 2020 17:02:04 GMT -5
Lemony Snicket's A Series of Unfortunate Events (2004) - Poster GalleryThis is a collection of all the movie's official posters that I put together. It's high-res so feel free to click on it and see them in better detail. My personal favourites are probably the 2nd, 3rd, 5th, and 6th ones.
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Post by gothicarchiesfan on Aug 7, 2020 16:48:21 GMT -5
I liked the movie, and it was through it that I got to know the books. I would only add something in the adaptation of TRR to the film so that the unique skills of the three Baudelaires would be evident there. In this part, they do not need to bite or research (or resort to memories of what they had researched) nor do they need to invent anything. In addition, the role of the Libraries was practically cancelled out in the film, wasn't it? The book Olaf searched for was simply forgotten by him somewhere easy to access. The TRR part of the movie definitely does suffer in comparison to the TWW section, largely because it's less than half the length and so has to rush through the entire story. That's also a very good point about the importance of libraries being underplayed in the movie, neither the children nor Olaf use them for research apart from Klaus' flashbacks.
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Post by gothicarchiesfan on Aug 7, 2020 0:20:23 GMT -5
The videogame is actually rather interesting in that its development must have begun at least 1-2 years prior to the movie's release since it came out around the same time. That means that it would have likely been based on elements of Robert Gordon's initial rewrite of Daniel Handler's original script before it was rewritten again. Wait, so does that mean that the original ending was the sequel-bait of the Baudelaires on a train station? Given the huge amount of rewrites the movie went through long before anything had actually been filmed, I think that it's entirely possible it was in at least one of Handler/Gordon's drafts. Interestingly, the movie's actual ending seems to have been partially cobbled together from bits of footage elsewhere in the film (and deleted scenes) with new voiceover on top. This was likely done because the last-minute deletion of Olaf's escape and most of the VFD references meant that parts of the existing ending no longer made sense and so new bits had to be grafted on with additional narration from Snicket to make it work. :Edit: An example of how late in the game this was edited together is that the shot of Sunny chasing a toy was actually meant to be a scene of her following the incredibly deadly viper. The scene was added in so late they couldn't even finish the VFX in time.
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Post by gothicarchiesfan on Aug 6, 2020 21:35:58 GMT -5
Daniel Handler's original draft for the film was even more explicit about VFD and actually included Kit Snicket's first appearance, as she was on the Baudelaires' trail throughout the film. However, the finished version of the film either downplays or removes many of these references entirely (even the ones that did end up getting filmed) because the studio thought it might confuse people. I remember someone in this board posted fragments of an older draft, and there was a lot of material involving Kit Snicket (referred to as "Pregnant Woman") and two kids I don't know (Quagmires?). The film's V.F.D. stuff is pretty much foreshadowing or the Scottish Trope, except for the "V.F.D." on the packet of Verdant Flammable Devices when Klaus finds the spyglass. I also remember that the video game sort of played up some of the V.F.D. stuff from the book, with Ike Anwhistle's journal even titled "Versatile Fireman's Diary" or something like that. The videogame is actually rather interesting in that its development must have begun at least 1-2 years prior to the movie's release since it came out around the same time. That means that it would have likely been based on elements of Robert Gordon's initial rewrite of Daniel Handler's original script, before it was rewritten again.
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Post by gothicarchiesfan on Aug 6, 2020 21:32:03 GMT -5
Interesting that, unlike TBB, secret organizations are already mentioned here in the introduction. It is a pity that there was no time to work better on VFD in the film.
Daniel Handler's original draft for the film was even more explicit about VFD and actually included Kit Snicket's first appearance, as she was on the Baudelaires' trail throughout the film. However, the finished version of the film either downplays or removes many of these references entirely (even the ones that did end up getting filmed) because the studio thought it might confuse people. The middle shot of Snicket walking away in this sequence, for example, was originally longer and revealed that VFD written on the hanging bag in the foreground. :Edit: Sorry for the repost but for some reason, it got deleted.
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Post by gothicarchiesfan on Aug 6, 2020 7:00:30 GMT -5
For now, it doesn't seem like ATWQ is getting any kind of adaptation and I would guess that if we are ever going to get another Snicket movie/tv show, it'll either be another adaptation of ASOUE or something original. However, circumstances change all the time so who knows how it will pan out?
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Post by gothicarchiesfan on Aug 6, 2020 6:26:06 GMT -5
Fun fact, did you know that Jim Carrey wasn't the first person offered to play the role of Count Olaf? Apparently Johnny Deep was supposed to take the role with Tim Burton directing the film until he pulled out for some reason. I personally would've loved to see Burton's own twisted dark version of Lemony Snicket's book series. While I certainly agree with you that seeing Burton's take on the books would be very interesting, that particular rumor is sadly not true*. Barry Sonnenfeld and (after he was fired) Brad Silberling were the only people who were ever hired to direct the film. I think the rumour got started because Barry Sonnenfeld actually did drop out from directing the film and many of the people he hired to work on the film like the production designer, the costume designer, and the cinematographer had all worked on Tim Burton movies before. However, one actor who really did end up getting replaced was Glenn Close; she was originally set to play Aunt Josephine back when Barry Sonnenfeld was going to direct the film but had to drop out when it was pushed back after his firing. *Another very popular but equally false rumour is that Helena Bonham Carter plays Beatrice in the movie. She doesn't. Beatrice is actually played by director Brad Silberling's wife Amy Brenneman. :Edit: If Tim Burton had ended up being chosen to direct the film, who would you have liked him to cast in the roles?
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Post by gothicarchiesfan on Aug 5, 2020 18:35:01 GMT -5
I've seen this movie over 100 times, and I even saw it in theaters when it came out. I remember almost everything in it, even the deleted scenes and footage only seen in trailers. Honestly, this is a very...mixed film for me. On one hand there's childhood nostalgia, a really nice atmosphere, an amazing soundtrack, and some endlessly quotable dialogue. On the other, you have a messy structure, some really awkward child acting, and of course the infamous "adaptational" changes made to the story at the cost of simplifying the stories and making them lose their subversive style. I heard a lot about the troubled production, and I won't lie, it's so crazy it deserves a documentary series. Indeed. While it's difficult to ignore the film's flaws, it's also hard to deny that it got a lot right. Which is quite impressive considering its extremely troubled pre-production, filming, and all the changes it went through. Over the next couple of weeks I'll be posting all the information I have on the film's deleted sequences, original drafts, and dropped concepts so that we can have it all in one place.
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Post by gothicarchiesfan on Aug 5, 2020 6:18:19 GMT -5
I will need a little help to understand this text ... The google translator did not help in some parts. Basically, did the couple get paid to stay in the fancy restaurant for several hours straight to attract other paying customers during a futuristic pandemic? (Is the payment expensive food?) Not exactly. The couple was hired to find and then sit at the best table in the restaurant so that it would be ready when the rich people who paid them, showed up. They are given free food while they wait as the pandemic has rendered most restaurants completely devoid of customers except for the very wealthy. Is the pandemic in history the same as the one we are facing but which has been in history for many years? It's certainly implied to be but it is never stated outright.
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Post by gothicarchiesfan on Aug 4, 2020 17:37:31 GMT -5
Thanks, gothicarchiesfan ! Did you reach him through reddit, or was it part of an AMA? Because I couldn't find a reddit page where other questions were posted. You're very welcome Poe's Coats Host Toast. I reached him through Reddit, and that must be why he thought I was doing it for the ASOUE subreddit.
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Post by gothicarchiesfan on Aug 3, 2020 19:02:31 GMT -5
He finally fixed the broken link and reuploaded it.
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