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Post by s on Oct 19, 2005 15:54:48 GMT -5
Where is there an implication of child molestation?? [/ignorance]
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Antenora
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Post by Antenora on Oct 19, 2005 16:21:50 GMT -5
I guess the scene where the bald man takes Violet's face in his hands and talks about Olaf ruining her pretty face vaguely hints at that sort of thing, as does the general subject of Olaf trying to marry Violet. I think a lot of people objected to TBB for those reasons.
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Post by s on Oct 19, 2005 18:49:36 GMT -5
I suppose...not really child molestation, but whatever. I see your point, although I think I have to disagree...I don't know, I like morbidness and/or violence - they make the books darker and, in my opinion, more intriguing.
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Post by SnicketFires on Oct 19, 2005 20:04:20 GMT -5
Page 126, TBB:
"Yes boss, of course I understand she's yours."
...Says the hook-handed man. Oh, wait, this might be what Antenora means. I think this quote fits in with what the thread is about.
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Post by SF on Oct 21, 2005 22:05:52 GMT -5
I didn't really take that as a hint to child molestation or anything of that sort, but I might just be oblivious I wasn't that disturbed/distraught at Aunt Joshephine's and Uncle Monty's death. It was to be expected, I mean there are tons of warnings to not finish the book. We were just too inattentive.
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Post by Efogoto on Oct 21, 2005 22:08:45 GMT -5
Lemony drops hints along the way that in the end you're not so much surprised when they die as surprised that they made it so far into the book.
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Post by PJ on Oct 21, 2005 22:28:23 GMT -5
I mean, how Violet imagines waking up next to Olaf every morning, or in TRR, how Olaf rubs his knife along her leg under the dinner table are pretty pedo-ifick. And Olaf keeps saying she's pretty.
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Post by Dear Dairy on Oct 22, 2005 12:41:42 GMT -5
I never said it WAS child molestation, I said it was IMPLIED (as some others here have clarified). I was referring to Olaf, a man, and his planned marriage to Violet, a child. Even if they had been legally married (even by the book's definition), I was disgusted by the idea, especially when Violet imagined herself in bed with him. I could have accepted that he wanted a marriage in name only, just to get the money, but it was clear from his attitude that he would have forced himself on her as well. While it's true that in the past girls Violet's age were placed into arranged marriages with much older men, I read the story with my modern sensibility, which tells me that the Olaf/Violet situation suggests, hints, and/or implies child molestation.
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Post by LargeManFeOrMale on Oct 22, 2005 16:13:46 GMT -5
Eh, when you put it that way I suppose
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Post by callum on Oct 23, 2005 0:50:56 GMT -5
i think Book 12 was very very disturbing for me
POSSIBLE spoilers not much really high light
especially the way the death was handled the bauds barely knowing the character also the moral ambiguity of the bauds
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Post by Sugary Snicket on Oct 29, 2005 9:38:39 GMT -5
TBB was creepy. I can see where the IMPLIED child molestation comes in. TRR was sad for me. Uncle Monty seemed a bit like my dad. Carefree and scatterbrained, although my dad doesn't usually associate with reptiles. TWW was cool, but Josephine was not the best aspect. She was really annoying. To me, anyway. (I was a bit surprised that it wasn't the BAUDELAIRES pushing her off the boat. )
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Post by lauren on Nov 7, 2005 4:41:24 GMT -5
Monty had a better personality that Jose, but even so I think Jose's death was sadder as the actual way in which she supposedly died was more disturbing....besides Jose had the whole "I don't want to die" thing going on
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Post by Skeleton Key on Nov 7, 2005 16:23:08 GMT -5
I thought that when he said, 'I understand, she's yours." He meant yours to kill, or kidnap, or something. And the knife-leg thing was a threat. Gosh, I'm clueless.
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Post by Grace on Nov 19, 2005 10:10:08 GMT -5
Well...both M and J were annoying, because neither paid attention to the children, and the reason I prefer M is because of Billy ?'s interpretation in the movie. In the books, I don't think either is better than the other.
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Post by euro on Nov 19, 2005 13:05:51 GMT -5
I didn't like Billy Connolly's Monty. I didn't like anyone in the movie except the hook-handed man and the powder-faced women. I LOVED the underage sex implications! They're so creepy and out of place in a children's book and it totally rocked. The deaths in TRR and TWW weren't disturbing, just unorthodox. I liked Monty, although I liked the way he died better. Josephine was a twa- err, twit.
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