roweena
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Post by roweena on Sept 5, 2006 20:16:19 GMT -5
Well, what do you know.. even at 23 you learn new words.. well, learning is a lifelong process. Now I feel like an inarticulate idiot for not knowing Brae was a real word. But in my defense, I read it as bral-man until I was posting on here. A BARMEN A NAB REM A BAN REM A BARN EM ... I don't see anything significant. Besides baticeer isn't a real word, so that was a clue to the anagram. Brae is a real word, so maybe it doesn't mean anything.
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linguistk
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Post by linguistk on Sept 5, 2006 20:32:25 GMT -5
Also, a question. In LS to BB #4, look at the background. Is this a coffee stain? All I got for a location is "restroom". However, could just be nothing. Interesting point though.
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Post by edgar on Sept 5, 2006 20:37:10 GMT -5
Has anyone notice that the picture of Beatrice, Beatrice 2 or Beatrice 1 (the main Bearice on the cover) looks eerily like the silhouette/painting of their Mom in the locket in the movie? Clue? (someone could get a picture that would be great. I've been looking for one for ages)
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Post by superorange on Sept 5, 2006 20:49:04 GMT -5
The movies are on a different canon. I wonder how Lemony's going to do the differences between The Baud's accounts and his stories in "The End" And the letter to Beatrice about her book broke my heart.
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Post by descartes on Sept 5, 2006 21:14:53 GMT -5
If that's not a reference to TSS and Quigley, I'll eat my hat. I am going to hold you to that. Anyway, I remembered that it came out today and called Barnes and Noble to see any copies and ran over and got a copy. It was good. Although I didn't like on the cover how "Letters" was punched out. I didn't get why Beatrice said without Violet, Klaus, and Sunny she was an orphan. She can't be their children, because that wouldn't make any sense at all. AT ALL. She can't be their mother because she is only like 10 years old. And she can't be their siblings because that just doesn't work out.
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Post by invaderkrag on Sept 5, 2006 21:17:18 GMT -5
Hmm. So "baticeer" = anagram for Beatrice, and I just now realized that "My Silence Knot" = anagram for Lemony Snicket...I need to go back and read it over again, in that light.
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Post by SnicketFires on Sept 5, 2006 21:21:54 GMT -5
No one's noted this yet, but I noticed it on my first read-through. In LS to BB #5, the really long one with the Sebald, one of the words is mis-underlined. The underlined "of" is only the sixth letter after the previous underlined ("one) word. However, the eleventh word after "one" is also "of" so I guess no harm is really done.
Has anyone managed to decode the sonnet? I've had this for days and I'm still completely at sea.
Also, I've noticed that if you replace "My Silence Knot" with "Lemony Snicket" in BB to LS #5 - especially at the end - it makes it seem like Lemony Snicket is tied up downstairs. Anyway.
So, my big theory about this book is that you have to read the (correspondance) letters according to the surplus (alphabet) letters hidden in each piece of mail. To get the correct order or something. So far, this is not working out quite the way I would have hoped.
B = BB to LS #6 E = LS to BB #1 = BB to LS #1 A = BB to LS #4 = LS to BB #6 T = BB to LS #5 R = LS to BB #4 I = LS to BB #5 C = LS to BB #1 E = LS to BB #1 = BB to LS #1
S = BB to LS #2 A = BB to LS #4 = LS to BB #6 N = LS to BB #2 K = BB to LS #3
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Post by Gigi on Sept 5, 2006 21:41:59 GMT -5
I don't quite get what you mean. Do you mean you should read the correspondence in the order that the anagram letters go?
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roweena
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Post by roweena on Sept 5, 2006 21:42:54 GMT -5
Didn't Lemony Snicket make mention to being tied up once, in the books? I seem to remember that... I think it was a "To my Editor"... Also, I've noticed that if you replace "My Silence Knot" with "Lemony Snicket" in BB to LS #5 - especially at the end - it makes it seem like Lemony Snicket is tied up downstairs. Anyway.
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Post by Mr. Flocuna on Sept 6, 2006 0:24:06 GMT -5
I didn't get a chance to get the book until about 9 o clock tonight. So I had to very quickly read through it so I had time to finish my homework. Anyway, this is what I first assumed when I read the book. I assumed that Beatice #2. Young Beatrice is the baudelaires sister, she is 10 when she is searching for her siblings. So therefore the theory I came up with is both Violet and Klaus would have both been very young when she was born. Klaus 2 and Violet 4. So they would have not remembered their mothers pregnancy. Beatrice two was taken away to VFD headquarters as soon as she was born, although knowing about her siblings. Her siblings never knew about her. Altough the only problem with this theory is that she speaks of Sunny putting her recipies on the radio. Which would make her be 11 when Sunny is at an age when she can speak. 4 or 5. So that is the part that I am confused on. If she is searching for her siblings is this durring ASoUE or after ASoUE?
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Elephant Baudelaire
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Post by Elephant Baudelaire on Sept 6, 2006 0:59:56 GMT -5
OK here is my theory on BB1 and BB2
NOTE if this has been posted on a previous page sorry.
I think all of the letters are from the same BB. It mentions that when the young BB is 10 LS is 11. so they are young and they are being trained at V.F.D. and she wants help finding the last of her family (I'm working on the ages, give me a break) Then they grow older and LS falls in love with BB. He proposes and she says no. (Yes that letter was so sad) then many years later he congratulates her on her child.
So if they are kids at the same time as the bauds then the time gap kind of ligns up right? LS is investigating what happened to them years later.
Now for the other BB. If you look on the poster that came with the book on both sides you will find a piece of wood from the boat in TPP Look at the name on it. Beatrice. He mentions that there is another Beatrice. The person and the boat. Now in THH they find a picture of their parents, Jacques, and someone that is hiding his face. This could be LS but my theroy says otherwise so it could be someone else bit if it is LS i'm sure i can figure out an explanation for the time differences but it's 12:57 A.M. here and my brain stopped working a long, long, long time ago LOL
Consider my theory and tell me what you think.
E.B.
Elephant Baudelaire
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Post by RockSunner on Sept 6, 2006 1:10:57 GMT -5
LOST, that timeline seems quite confused. The new BB is searching for the Baudelaires. If this was prior to ASOUE, she could have found them at home with their parents. Therefore, these letters are written during or after ASOUE.
She might be a cousin of the Baudelaires rather than a missing sibling. I also don't accept that she is ten years old on her word alone. It could be a disguise.
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Elephant Baudelaire
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Post by Elephant Baudelaire on Sept 6, 2006 1:15:18 GMT -5
Yeah i'm saying that the kid letters happen durring or just after ASOUE and the adult ones after.
Then she dies and he finaly decides to find out what happened to them. Sorry if i'm not being clear. It's 1:15 A.M. here
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Post by invaderkrag on Sept 6, 2006 2:12:48 GMT -5
As for the sonnet....I've read and re-read.....and I know there's no bells ringing, but I was really bored, so take my word for it, there aren't any Sebald Coded messages in there - I went through it with a fine-toothed comb.....unless there's some other type of code in there, it's just a sad sonnet with veiled meaning.
It follows iambic pentameter for the entire sonnet except for the first line of the second quatrain - but even Shakespeare did things like this....you just naturally put "I" on the second beat, because it has the emphasis anyway. That's excusable.
The only weird thing is the subheader, as far as I can tell. "A poem about a play about a story of two people who written by the person in the story (in the play in the poem) who"
what words could feasibly fit in there that would make sense? I know the paper's ripped and all, but the double-line margin border doesn't leave much room for extra words.
We know My Silence Knot is Lemony Snicket, and Baticeer is Beatrice. Doesn't make any more sense, really, even knowing that. Ah well....I'll think on it.
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Post by Efogoto on Sept 6, 2006 2:14:25 GMT -5
"Beatrice Sank" also rearranges to "Snicket a brae", so there's one possible solution for "a brae-man".
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