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Post by Charles Vane on Oct 6, 2004 16:24:12 GMT -5
Anyway, let's jump-start this discussion with an idea for people to talk over. Idea: God himself is bound by the laws of physics, and must operate through coincidence, chance, and obscure physics. Discuss. I think that makes alot of sense but the point of God is that he can do anything, he's all powerful without question to those who believe in him. If he has rules and things he can't do then that defeats part of the purpose of a God who is all powerful and can do anything he wants. But If God created pyshics and science he would have to stick by his creations and use them to operate the world. So he doesn't have to use mircales and divine intervention but chance and coincidence to make his works come about. When you do things right, no one knows you did them at all.. or something like that.
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Luigi
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Post by Luigi on Oct 6, 2004 17:05:59 GMT -5
Makes perfect sense. But God to me seems like such a Deus Ex Machina; you don't know why something happened? God did it, etc. That's how it was before science and mathematics became as advanced as they are now. I simply see no reason to continue the illusion. Bear in mind that proving that God doesn't exist is far harder than proving that God does exist. Explain all the mysteries of the universe using science and logic and you could still say that God made it that way. Deus Ex Machina, like I said. Science doesn't have that option. But of course, it doesn't really matter because neither of us is going to convince the other, are we? Anyway, let's jump-start this discussion with an idea for people to talk over. Idea: God himself is bound by the laws of physics, and must operate through coincidence, chance, and obscure physics. Discuss. EXACTLY. Religion need no explanation, the same way magic doesn't need explanation in books. It, in itself, is the explanation. There need not to proof, or evidence, because te whole point ist hat there IS NONE.
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Post by redwine with valium on Oct 6, 2004 18:38:46 GMT -5
Makes perfect sense. But God to me seems like such a Deus Ex Machina; you don't know why something happened? God did it, etc. That's how it was before science and mathematics became as advanced as they are now. I simply see no reason to continue the illusion. Bear in mind that proving that God doesn't exist is far harder than proving that God does exist. Explain all the mysteries of the universe using science and logic and you could still say that God made it that way. Deus Ex Machina, like I said. Science doesn't have that option. But of course, it doesn't really matter because neither of us is going to convince the other, are we? Anyway, let's jump-start this discussion with an idea for people to talk over. Idea: God himself is bound by the laws of physics, and must operate through coincidence, chance, and obscure physics. Discuss. On the topic of evolution and God, has anyone read the book Angels and Demons by Dan Brown? In the book, a scientist discovers that the Big Bang and evolution did occur, but could not have occurred without a driving energy guiding it: God. I think that's the belief I'm leaning towards. (btw: because of his discovery, both science and Cathlicism hated him, because in a way his discovery corrected both of them) Now, for the last bit: God can do anything, it's what he chooses not to do: He gives us free will, for one thing. He could MAKE us all love him and believe in him, but then what would be the point? We'd all be puppets, and He doesn't want that. And he created the laws, but is not bound by them. He doesn't live in our "world" (or dimension or whatever) so isn't bound by the laws that govern it.
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